> we did this to ourselves

I would argue that a small minority of the human race did this to the rest.

> the lack of foresight

Everybody on the planet is well aware of what is happening and why. Its not lack of foresight, it is pure ignorance and apathy of those who are making money off the backs of these tragedies.

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graeme 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

This really isn't true. Most people aren't even close to reckoning with what net zero would involve. Most people haven't even got a stock vs flow model of carbon and think that lowering co2 emissions means reducing global warming. (As opposed to reducing the speed of the increase).

You yourself haven't got a model. If we stop using fossil fuels today, billions die. The energy from fossil fuels has generated widespread benefit and allows our current wealth. And also heats the atmosphere.

The emissions of the bottom 90% globally, and the emissions in the products they use are more than enough to sustain global warming.

Fobbing the problem onto "the other", however you define them, is another way to justify doing nothing.

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MangoToupe 4 days ago | parent [-]

It's rather easy to say we don't have a plan after decades of inaction.

It's been obvious we're trying to commit mass suicide for a long time now.

	▲	antisthenes 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		The people at the top don't need the people at the bottom once the wealth has been amassed/extracted. That's the sociopathic capitalist dream. Leech off the working class, then gut it until only a skeleton remains to service your needs.

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IAmBroom 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> > we did this to ourselves > I would argue that a small minority of the human race did this to the rest

Yes, just the people that use fossil fuels to drive, heat their homes, power their electrical lines, and so forth. /s

You can't dodge responsibility by pushing the blame upwards on everything. Are you posting these comments from a computer powered by solar panels?

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scubbo 4 days ago | parent [-]

No, the people who made it so that there was no way for humans to enjoy those reasonable comforts without contributing to pollution.

> Are you posting these comments from a computer powered by solar panels?

That's precisely the point. It shouldn't be individual responsibility to improve our infrastructure (though, in point of fact, I actually _am_ posting using solar power). A good society is one in which everyone _is_ using solar power _without realizing it_, because those responsible for providing power to society do so responsibly.

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ajmurmann 3 days ago | parent [-]

I am not sure about you, but me and many other commenters here, live in Democracies and in places where capitalism offers choice. Yet, most people weren't voting for the green parties. Oversized vehicles are very popular. Even people who voice their concerns about climate change have complained to me about gas prices. When I tell people they should celebrate high gas prices I get treated like I am insane. We've been voting literally and with our wallets for the status quo. The vast majority of citizens is not without blame.

	▲	anon84873628 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		Yeah, it's the definition of a game theory prisoner's dilemma type situation. Which normally governments are best positioned to solve. But this one requires coordination between politicians over long timescales, and across sovereign governments altogether. So it really does require worldwide grassroots activism, which unfortunately is very slow and incremental. I'm not hopeful... Our ape brains are just not built for what it takes.

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anon191928 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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