| ▲ | hedora 5 days ago | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Here’s another list: https://www.edmunds.com/electric-car/articles/cheapest-elect... The model 3 is 1.5x more expensive than the cheapest car on the list, and it’s not obviously better than other things in its price range. Here are some brands that have delivered more affordable EVs than Tesla: Kia, Hyundai, Chevy, Cooper, Nissan. Note that all of these cost about 2x more than international competitors. On top of that, Ford’s upcoming platform is targeting $30K midsize pickup trucks. Presumably, most other manufacturers have similar things in their pipelines. Tesla is already behind most of its competitors, and does not seem to have anything new the pipeline, so the gap is likely to expand. They’ve clearly failed to provide affordable EVs. They’ve been beaten to market by a half dozen companies in the North American market, and that’s with trade barriers blocking foreign companies that are providing cars for less than half these prices. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | xpe 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> Tesla is already behind most of its competitors, and does not seem to have anything new the pipeline, so the gap is likely to expand. Behind? In what way? Please don't leave your fundamental criteria and assumptions unstated. You are prioritizing affordability above everything else, even range. If you value your audience's time, please write more directly and clearly. [1] Don't try to sneak something past us. Instead, just come out and say it. Then you'll realize you need to make the case for why your criteria and assumptions are worth emphasizing. That would lead to interesting discussions like: - What kinds of range do drivers want and why? - What kind of trips do they do? This is what we should be doing here -- unpacking our arguments, learning from each other, synthesizing. I'm so done with the low-quality comments from people that have little excuse. If you can write code or survive the tech industry, you probably have sufficient logical reasoning power and an understanding of constructive discussions. Or am I expecting too much? Seems to me such a person has little excuse to not step up the comment quality. This concludes my lecture. [1] By taking an extra ~X minutes to do so; it will save N * X minutes of the audience's time where N is the audience size. One you get in the habit of it, X will be relatively small. If you aren't willing to put in this effort, your comment ends up being a net negative towards the goal of helping people quickly and efficiently think about various pieces of the arguments. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | Kirby64 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Are we reading the same list? The mini cooper EV is a joke of a car. 114 miles is ridiculous for $30k. Likewise, the 'base' Nissan Leaf is 150mi for $30k isn't much better. The crossover/small-SUV segment is a little more competitive, but still you're comparing vehicles with quite dissimilar (n.b., worse) specs for lower prices. If all you care about is a car that is electric that can be driven, then sure, there's cheaper cars. That doesn't mean they're better or reasonable for most consumers. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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