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zpeti 5 days ago

If a human brain can tell the difference between sun glare and an object, machine learning certainly can.

It’s already better at X-rays and radiology in many cases.

Everything you are talking about is just a matter of sufficient learning data and training.

audunw 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

1. A human has a lot more options to deal with things like sun glare. We can move our head, use shade, etc. And when it comes to certain aspects around dynamic range the human eyes are still better than cameras. And most of all, if we loose nearly all vision we are intelligent enough to simulate the behaviour of most objects around us to react safe for the next few seconds. 2. Human intelligence is much deeper than machine vision. We can predict a lot of things that machine visions have no hope to achieve without some kind of incredibly advanced multi-modal model which is probably many years out.

The most important thing is that Tesla/Elon absolutely had no way to know, and no reason to believe (other than as a way to rationalise a dangerously risky bet) that machine vision would be able to solve all these issues in time to make good on their promise.

mcv 5 days ago | parent [-]

Not only do we have options to deal with it, we understand that it's a vision artefact, and not something real. We understand objects don't vanish or appear out of nowhere. We understand the glare isn't reality but is obstructing our view of reality. We immediately understand we're therefore dealing with incomplete information and compensate for that. Including looking for other ways to look around the instruction or fill in the gaps. Without even thinking about it, often.

tsimionescu 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The human brain is the result of literal billions of years of evolution, across trillions of organisms. The "just" in your "just a matter of sufficient learning data and training" is doing a lot of work.

RaftPeople 5 days ago | parent [-]

And the techniques our brain uses to generalize during learning appear to be orders of magnitude better than current ML methods.

jihadjihad 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This comment is a perfect illustration of the hubris of this technology in general.

threatofrain 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you have cheat codes then why not just use it instead of insisting on principle that our eyes are good enough? We see Waymo use the cheat codes, oh no. We also only have binocular vision, so I guess Tesla is already okay with superhuman cheat codes.

tomasphan 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We not only use our vision when driving but also our other senses. We can tell the sun is shining at us because it warms our skin. This all happened subconsciously. Humans are vastly superior drivers in general, it’s just that 50% of humans are bad drivers.

stevage 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's a big if, no? Humans do struggle with sun glare. It'd be great if cars were much better.

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