Re: the tax credit, note the income requirements here:

https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/used-clean-vehicle-cr...

I don't know anything about your situation, but I'm guessing quite a bit of the readers here on HN from the US won't qualify.

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mtlynch 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

>The sale qualifies only if:

>You buy the vehicle from a dealer.

This is such an annoying part of the tax incentive.

It's a huge, pointless gift to car dealers (who need no help) because it means they don't have to compete for price with private sellers or buyers. If I have a used EV to sell, I basically have to sell to the dealer because no buyer wants to bother buying from me when they can get the same thing from a dealer with a $4k tax credit on top.

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jeffmcjunkin 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

KeySavvy is the normal workaround for this. $99 extra cost to both sides for them to handle the title verification and shipping, and to act as the dealer to make it qualify for EV credits.

	▲	mtlynch 18 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Wow, great tip! Thanks!

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taftster 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe the car dealers have had a lobbyist that has influenced this to their favor. Wouldn't surprise me. But likewise, there's some formality and paperwork trails that exist when a dealership is involved vs. private party, so I wonder if the concern is some fraud or abuse in the private market as well. Regardless, I agree with you.

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loeg 4 days ago | parent [-]

Car dealers are a well-known, hugely influential lobby.

	▲	taftster 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		Given that, probably lobbyist influence then more than anything.

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supportengineer 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Not to mention there are severe income limits on the rebate

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taftster 4 days ago | parent [-]

Right, set too low (imho). And not a graduated phase out either. And the market for these cars are going to be people typically past the income limit. My instinct tells me that people below the income limit ($75K/$150K) probably aren't really in the market for an EV. They are probably just trying to keep their regular gas vehicle running. An EV is almost a second/third car for a lot of people, commuters trying to offset their gasoline costs.

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loeg 4 days ago | parent [-]

Individual tax credits/deductions shouldn't have income limits / phaseout at all. We get the progressive taxation on the front end, with marginal tax brackets.

	▲	taftster 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		Totally agreed. But unfortunately, they often do.

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geerlingguy 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

My YouTube (mostly now) income is a fraction of what I used to make as a software architect—I'm well within the limits these days :)

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marcsto2 4 days ago | parent [-]

What's your channel :)

	▲	mkingston 4 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR-DXc1voovS8nhAvccRZhg Jeff Geerling. Also the owner/author of the site we're discussing in this thread.
	▲	gabesullice 4 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Jeff is a treasure! https://youtube.com/@jeffgeerling