| ▲ | fzeindl 5 days ago |
| Apart from the reasons for this block: Why do these decisions always have to be black and white. I believe it would benefit mental health if Facebook was blocked one day per week so people are forced to live a day without it. Same with combustion vehicles and the climate: block cars in cities a couple of days per week, individually selected per person. |
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| ▲ | diggan 5 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| > Why do these decisions always have to be black and white. This decision seems to be very different than that. Those companies were asked to "provide a local contact, grievance handler and person responsible for self-regulation", otherwise be blocked. It really isn't surprising that someone asks them to follow the laws of their country, and if the companies are ignoring them, block them since they're unable to follow the local laws. The companies really forced Nepal's hand here by repeatedly ignoring their requests. |
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| ▲ | Cthulhu_ 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Plus, if it was a 'grey' punishment like a fine... these companies have billions if not trillions, they would just pay them, OR pay their army of lawyers to stall, fight, and try to overturn the decisions. Because an army of lawyers is still cheaper than an EU scale fine. | |
| ▲ | GLdRH 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | "What are you gonna do, Nepal? Block me?" (Gets blocked) |
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| ▲ | matheusd 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > block cars in cities a couple of days per week, individually selected per person. The net result in São Paulo (Brazil) for (something that approaches) this is that people end up buying a second vehicle. |
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| ▲ | triceratops 5 days ago | parent [-] | | So like a pollution tax. People who can't afford the second vehicle will drive less. |
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| ▲ | dotnet00 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Why should well behaving people be punished for the actions of those who aren't? These sorts of suggestions always remind me of the various people who, during my teen years, loved to give unsolicited advice suggesting that if my parents didn't apply arbitrary restrictions to my hobbies, they'd be setting me up for failure (my hobby was teaching myself higher level math, gpu programming etc, things that led to my current career). Day restrictions for vehicles can be temporarily worthwhile when the air quality becomes too poor or as a transitory step towards a more significant ban and restructuring of thr city's transportation systems. But if kept in-place as-is long term, they just lead to people finding workarounds (like second cars). |
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| ▲ | coldpie 5 days ago | parent [-] | | > Why should well behaving people be punished for the actions of those who aren't? I don't think it's a punishment so much as a public health measure. Like restricting who can buy tobacco and alcohol and where they can be consumed, or car pollution regulations. | | |
| ▲ | dotnet00 5 days ago | parent [-] | | If that's how low your bar is for where government should interfere with people's daily lives under the guise of public health, we might as well also ask for restrictions on how much food people are allowed to buy, and mandatory daily exercise. | | |
| ▲ | coldpie 5 days ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, definitely agree there's a ton of room for disagreement on the topic. Where I'm coming from is, I think social media is one of, if not the top most, destructive forces in society today. It provides a huge megaphone for people who benefit from spreading misinformation and actively encourages conspiratorial thinking. The attention- and ad-based business model rewards the worst kind of communication, and we can see how quickly it has been abused to destroy our society. Being one of the worst inventions in human history is not a "low bar." I don't know what the fix is, but I know that the current situation is very much not working. I'd like it if we tried some kind of regulation to reign in this poison we are all collectively consuming. Again, something similar to how we regulate other harmful substances like alcohol and tobacco. We don't need to outright ban it, but we need to do something. | | |
| ▲ | dotnet00 5 days ago | parent [-] | | I agree with your intention, I'm just not a fan of arbitrary measures like a one-day ban. I'd rather see targeted actions, say, bans or severe restrictions on recommendation systems/algorithmic feeds. Limit how far they're allowed to reach from your personal network of follows, limit the percentage of posts that can be algorithmicly driven, controls on the balance of popular posts vs relevant posts, ban infinite scrolling feeds, limit how strongly sites may neuter their search systems, maybe require warnings after certain levels of continuous usage. If the goal is to directly and forcibly limit usage, a "credit" system would be preferable, you have some weekly time allocation for large-scale social media usage (forums were technically social media, but were far healthier than platforms like reddit, facebook, X), and you can use that allocation however you want. Your allocation can grow kr shrink based on your specific circumstances (career, history of healthy use of social media, social circumstances like living far from family, medical circumstances). |
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| ▲ | entuno 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| IIRC Paris has done something that in the past - you could only drive in the city on certain days depending on the registration of your car (even vs odd numbers). |
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| ▲ | Cthulhu_ 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The panny-D was great for that, early days saw stuff like clean air in China, India, wildlife coming into the cities, clean water in Venice, etc - and that was after only a few weeks. We've had car-free sundays in the past a few times, but that was also due to oil crises. But also, a lot of inner cities have a ban on cars, a restriction on cars (only locals and suppliers at fixed times), or environmental zones (no older Diesel engines, some are going a step further and banning all vans and trucks, promoting electric alternatives for last-mile deliveries). They're all having a significant impact on the health and liveability of city centers. But it makes a lot of sense too, as they're 1000 year old city centers that were never designed for cars anyway. Often the only roads that can support cars at a normal in-city speed are on the outside of where city walls used to be. Anyway, speaking for myself, I haven't used FB in forever, I don't think a blanket pause would affect most people that much, I posit it's only a small minority that falls into the problematic FB usage category. |
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| ▲ | blululu 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Agreed. These services offer a lot of valuable social infrastructure, and it would be nice to keep the good and stop the bad. On a personal level I do something like this on my home router by adding latency to specific websites and I totally recommend this to anyone trying to cut the habit. A few hundred ms of extra latency can really kill the doomscroll’s grip while still giving you access to messages from friends. Doing this is also not too hard to configure using a pi hole and some vibe networking. |
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| ▲ | DaveZale 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I have personally seen a couple family members go more than a little nuts on fb, and I've been stalked there. It is poison for some. Reminescent of cigarette smoking a few decades ago. "Everyone" was smoking so it was okay. Now they walk around with portable oxygen generators. If they can still walk. Repulsive addictive product. |
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| ▲ | thrance 5 days ago | parent [-] | | I hadn't thought of the comparison to tobacco yet, but it's great. I wonder if social media will follow a similar trajectory, of going from the cool thing everyone picks up to a lame addicting health-destroyer. Thankfully, it's way easier to quit Facebook than smoking. | | |
| ▲ | coldpie 5 days ago | parent [-] | | The comparison of social media to tobacco is almost too perfect. It feels good while you're doing it and can be an effective social tool, but leaves you feeling like shit when you stop and has disastrous long-term health consequences. | | |
| ▲ | triceratops 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > The comparison of social media to tobacco is almost too perfect What do smokers reach for when they wake up? Their cigs. What about everyone else? Phones. | | |
| ▲ | DaveZale 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Yes! I read commentary a while back that said the size of the phone is roughly (w/in a factor of two) the size of a cigarette pack and just like the pack, is almost always within arm's reach and frequently sought. Can't recall the exact source, but the conclusion of the article was: if you want to kick the phone habit, first of all, keep it out of arm's reach. |
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| ▲ | DaveZale 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | and if you use it on toilet, you apparently can't shit |
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