| ▲ | lucideer 5 days ago |
| Anyone who follows Jeff will know he's US-based, but I still really felt he could've highlighted that fact more in that charging port standards section. The fact that both J1772 & CCS2 are 100% universal in Europe is huge. So much so even Tesla switched to CCS2. This doesn't help Jeff but certainly one less problem for many readers of his article. |
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| ▲ | rsynnott 5 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| > The fact that both J1772 & CCS2 are 100% universal in Europe is huge. Funnily enough, not for the Leaf! Though it will be on the third generation that's coming out this year. The second-gen Leaf (a ten year old design, at this point) that the author of the article bought doesn't have it. The EU only mandates CCS2 in _charging points_; manufacturers can still sell cars without it, though I think Nissan may be the only remaining one who _does_. |
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| ▲ | masklinn 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > The EU only mandates CCS2 in _charging points_ Right but that’s the most important one. If you have a leaf it means you know you need an adapter always, so while it’s a bit of a hassle to waste space on that there’s no question whether you’ll get a compatible charging plug. | | |
| ▲ | encom 5 days ago | parent [-] | | Euro Leaf owner here. No CCS is indeed tiresome, but not a deal breaker. Chademo is still widely available - I haven't bothered buying an adapter. | | |
| ▲ | krzyk 4 days ago | parent [-] | | It depends on your location. In my country chademo is rarely available, I know only two networks that provide it (and they are smaller ones). |
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| ▲ | jsight 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sorry for being pedantic, but since this thread is full of pedantry... Europe actually doesn't use J1772 either. They use type 2 mennekes which has an additional AC conductor relative to US J1772 and CCS1. | |
| ▲ | lucideer 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I was more referring to J1772. We don't have NACS in Europe so if you have J1772 you can always charge anywhere. This does mean Jeff's Leaf would be limited to AC without an adapter, which isn't perfectly ideal, but still better. | | |
| ▲ | WorldMaker a day ago | parent [-] | | The form factor of NACS is the old Tesla plug from before the EU mandated Tesla switch to CCS2. So there is still some "NACS" in Europe, kind of, but it is mostly phased out I hear. In North America it's attempt at a CCS plug was awful and ugly and so much worse than CCS2 and made J17772 almost look preferable. The marketplace winner (by almost a landslide) was Tesla's plug and NACS is CCS protocols over Tesla plugs. All of the car companies at this point are mostly agreed that NACS is the present and future in North America. |
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| ▲ | randunel 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I have a 2nd gen 2019 Leaf in Europe and it came with Type 2 and another one I've never ever used which looks like J1772, both next to each other in the front of the car. No CCS2 here, indeed. I was under the impression Type 2 was the only European standard. |
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| ▲ | Ambroos 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's IEC 62196-2 Type 2 (Mennekes) and CCS2 in Europe. J1772 is the North American standard that is used in CCS1. |
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| ▲ | masklinn 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Anyone who follows Jeff will know he's US-based That was obvious from the article but given they specifically mentioned CCS2 bundled with the mess that is US charging I thought important to point that (anecdotally) the situations are quite distinct. Both in terms of charging hardware and payment. |
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| ▲ | WorldMaker a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yeah, the US is in the slow market-based processes of standardizing towards NACS (which is CCS2 protocols over what used to be just Tesla's plug). It's not as standard as the EU has committed to, but with Tesla's charging network having a big first mover advantage in North America, it sometimes feels close. |
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| ▲ | Hamuko 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Go to your local Mitsubishi dealership in Europe and you will find the 2025 Outlander PHEV with a CHAdeMO plug. And I believe if you buy a pre-2019 Tesla Model S or Model X, you will have to deal with Tesla's own plug. |
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| ▲ | formerly_proven 5 days ago | parent [-] | | I'm guessing it skirts regulations by being a PHEV, since CCS2 is mandatory for DCFC otherwise. Skirting regulations is quite fitting for a PHEV, of course, as that is their raison d'etre. | | |
| ▲ | ddalex 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | the regulations mandate the CCS2 on the charging point, not on the car | |
| ▲ | Hamuko 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | The outgoing Nissan Leaf also has CHAdeMO and that's a full BEV. | | |
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