| ▲ | Aurornis 6 days ago |
| In the past few years I've noticed more and more issues on Wikipedia. It has never been perfect, but in the past it seemed like anything without sufficient sources would quickly get flagged as "citation needed" or questionable statements would get a warning label slapped on them. Now, I can visit pages for certain medical conditions that contain completely unsourced claims with no "citation needed" nor any warnings. When I try to search for it, I often trace it back to alternative medicine or pseudoscience influencers. The sad part is that when I've tried to remove obviously flimsy information, someone will immediately come along and add it back. Unless you're ready to spend months in a Wikipedia edit war with someone who obsesses over a page, there's no point in even trying. These people know the rules and processes and will use every one of them against you. When that fails, they'll try to pull rank. If that fails, they'll just quietly continue editing and rewriting (possibly from alt accounts) until you get too tired to fight the battle any more. |
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| ▲ | zozbot234 5 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| > The sad part is that when I've tried to remove obviously flimsy information, someone will immediately come along and add it back. The trick is to write about your proposed edit on the talk page and wait a few days. If nobody has complained, you make the edit and write "see talk" in the edit summary. The notion that you should push an edit first and wait for someone to revert you just doesn't work in practice except for trivial typo fixes. Discuss your edit in depth, then push it once you have a presumed near-consensus for it. |
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| ▲ | Kim_Bruning 5 days ago | parent [-] | | I think it's important to edit early and often, but it certainly can't hurt to also explain your edits on the talk page. Bonus points if the other side makes no explanations, you get to "rv unexplained edit, see talk page". Just look in on the article every couple of days for a while to see what sticks and what doesn't. Originally when I started editing, more often than not people would have improved and built on my edits, rather than fought them. But you may need to be a bit (un)lucky these days? |
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| ▲ | arjie 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Do you recall a couple? It's one of my minor hobbies when I'm bored to try to find sources and fix Wikipedia articles that others have trouble with. As examples that this is a good faith attempt and not the usual online comment technique of "oh yeah? show me!", here are some stories of edits I got in that others said they had trouble with: - https://wiki.roshangeorge.dev/w/Blog/2024-10-17/Path_Depende... - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40655989 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Weierstrass_function#Accu... And my personal favourite is recently when the most ridiculous thing was added to Bukele's Gang Crackdown: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Salvadoran_gang_c... If you still have the desire to have some of these fixed, post here and I'll put it in my queue and get to it at some point. If you don't want the resulting interaction from other commenters here, send it to my email (in profile). Wikipedia is ultimately a consensus summarizer frequently mistaken for a truth-seeker. So you have to make the case for something being true somewhere where the experts live, and then Wikipedia can express the experts' opinion. But crucially, it is not truth-seeking on its own. |
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| ▲ | ars 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I've noticed this exact same thing. And I too just gave up. People have their pet causes and they force the article to match, and normal, non-obsessed people give up. Any controversial topic should never be read on Wikipedia, it will not be accurate. |
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| ▲ | pessimizer 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > People have their pet causes People are paid whole-ass salaries to edit Wikipedia (and to become mods on Reddit.) They masquerade as (a dozen different) obsessed weirdos, but they are just normal middle-class people who are being paid to lie. | | | |
| ▲ | mothballed 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I noticed this during the election. As soon as Kamala become the contender, it was edited out that her father was described as a "marxist scholar" by a college newspaper. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Donald_J._Harris&... | | |
| ▲ | viccis 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | They also removed a big part of her page when she was a primary candidate in 2019/2020 about a man she intentionally kept in prison despite knowing he was innocent. Wikipedia is absolutely a political battleground. Take a look at this old version of her 2019 page about Daniel Larsen [1] and compare it with her current Wikipedia page. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kamala_Harris&old... | | |
| ▲ | zahlman 5 days ago | parent [-] | | > Wikipedia is absolutely a political battleground. Even the titles are a place of political warfare. For example, note carefully which incidents are labelled as "riots" and which as "unrest", and try to find any objective, politically neutral principle that could explain those results. |
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| ▲ | martey 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think that when a wealth of other reliable sources don't describe an economist as Marxist, Wikipedia shouldn't give precedence to a single op-ed in the Stanford Daily from 1976. You're focusing on when the word "Marxist" was removed in 2024, but you might want to consider when it was added to the article (in August 2020, about two weeks after Harris was selected to be the vice presidential nominee): https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Donald_J._Harris&... | | |
| ▲ | mothballed 5 days ago | parent [-] | | You say it was added in August 2020, but the article was created in August 2020. Not much of an indictment that additional information was added sometime shortly after the article was created. |
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| ▲ | altcognito 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Did you look into why? They always list the reasons. How long had it been on the page? | | | |
| ▲ | bakugo 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Another great example is when the "Cultural Marxism" article was converted into "Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory", an entirely different article claiming that the concept of cultural marxism was actually always a "far-right antisemitic conspiracy theory", complete with a section relating it to Gamergate. It's so ridiculous, it's almost funny to read. https://web.archive.org/web/20140519194937/http://en.wikiped... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_th... |
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