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pembrook 5 days ago

I wouldn't be setting up a static site + headless CMS for a non-technical organization. This is basically asking for a constant headache.

Just set them up on a website builder like Webflow/Framer/Ycode/Squarespace/etc that has a CMS built in.

citizenpaul 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

On the other hand I worked for a small place that was spending over 250k'ish per year on website maintenance to a company that setup their headless CMS website that they sold them.

They complained about it constantly but they kept paying (7 years and going when I was doing work for them which by they way they constantly tried to shortchange me). Never feel bad about taking money from a company, its just business. Setup your income stream and take care of yourself. I'm not sure why there is this bizarre self sacrificing mentality in tech to make other people rich at your own expense.

Not to mention if you invoke those companies you are putting yourself in their walled garden that makes them money and takes control of your income away from you. Why would any person want to do that? There is no moral quandary here.

gjsman-1000 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Not to mention if you invoke those companies you are putting yourself in their walled garden that makes them money and takes control of your income away from you. Why would any person want to do that? There is no moral quandary here.

Buying into proprietary software and walled gardens is ridiculously common and acceptable in a business environment. That's code for "no liability if something goes wrong, minimal maintenance, and easy onboarding of new employees."

citizenpaul 5 days ago | parent [-]

>common and acceptable in a business environment

Duh.

The comment context was in response to selling something to a company as a service. If you are just being an unofficial middle man between a SaaS and your customer you are going to make very little money. Its essentially uber for tech, you are going to be bearing the burden of all the implementation friction. On top of that you are acting as an uncommissioned sales person for the SaaS while they collect income indefinitely from your work.

The difference in how you setup the deal is literally millions of dollars in the real life example I mentioned. I don't care about corporations. I want HN posters to make money for their work and skills rather than be used and tossed in the trash by corporations. Guess what? The company is still in business and doing fine. The owner just gets one less lambo per year and a developer gets to feed their family.

Its also worth mentioning the obvious only reason they still pay the small consultancy is that they are constantly asking for changes and new things. Why would you want the extra overhead of working in someone elses sandbox when you have to do all the work anyway. Might as well be on your terms if you are going to do the work.

jslaby 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

There is some truth to this. One of the fails we had was pricing our product too low, where it was looked at as a stepping stone to something more expensive, even though it provided the same exact functionality minus the fancy looking ui. There were businesses that wanted to get out of their existing application suite, but are hooked in due to management perception and the sunk cost fallacy. The company who overpriced considerably is reaping millions per year on that application. If I could just go back in time..

skeptrune 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

If there's a no-code way to edit content and AI can work with the rest then I think it's fine.

pembrook 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

AI isn't going to be much help unless the customer is comfortable vibe coding in cursor and isn't too intimidated by a git/serverless workflow...but firing up an IDE like cursor and dealing with git + serverless builds is still a huuugge ask for most people who aren't in tech by trade.

Even AI assisted it's going to be rough.

It's important to remember a vast majority of people have never used their desktop computer for more than MS Office and Google Chrome (facebook/youtube) and maybe ChatGPT now (still only 34% of the US population).

Heck, dealing with a file system is already too much complexity for most of the population.

Navigating around some enterprise-y headless CMS UI is already going to be a big ask. If these volunteers are anything like the ones I've dealt with before, they're going to struggle to even get past basic auth (which email did I use? What's my password again? What the hells a password manager???)

nomoreofthat 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I honestly can’t tell whether this comment is satire or this site is just full of people who have no ability (or no interest) in understanding other people. You don’t need to be a psychologist or even have a good understanding of other people to recognize what a ridiculous suggestion this is. You just have to care a tiny little bit about other people. Is that really too much to expect?

Though given that the psychopath alleged-incestuous-rapist Sam Altman has been the top user on the site since literally day one I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised

asp_hornet 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Fortunately the top comment seems to be a Wordpress recommendation but I agree with your sentiment completely. The industry has lost the care for people.

fragmede 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

ctrl-f for sama on https://news.ycombinator.com/leaders shows no results, but please, tell us more about how you've generalized everybody here.

mediumsmart 4 days ago | parent [-]

its not nice specifically to call people names

to generalize is to be an idiot