The exclusion of EU, UK and South Korea suggests to me they've trained on data those countries would be mad they trained on/would demand money for training on.

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heod749 6 days ago | parent [-]

>The exclusion of EU, UK and South Korea suggests to me they've trained on data those countries would be mad they trained on/would demand money for training on.

Or, those countries are trying to regulate AI.

Hard to feel bad for EU/UK. They tried their best to remain relevant, but lost in the end (talent, economy, civil rights).

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wkat4242 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

Why do you think regulation is bad?

We didn't regulate adtech and now we're stuck with pervasive tracking that's hurting society and consumer privacy. Better to be more cautious with AI too so we can prevent negative societal effects rather than trying to roll them back when billions of euros are already at play, and thus the corporate lobby and interests in keeping things as they are.

We didn't regulate social media algorithms which started optimising for hate (as it's the best means of "engagement") and it led to polarisation in society, the worst effects of which can be seen in the US itself. The country is tearing itself apart. And we see the effects in Europe too. Again, something we should have nipped in the bud.

And the problem isn't mainly the tech. It's the perverse business models behind it, which don't care about societal diruption. That's pretty hard to predict, hence the caution.

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thrance 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Peak American thinking: megacorps and dictatorships stealing data with no respect whatsoever for privacy and not giving anything back is good. Any attempt to defend oneself from that is foolish and should be mocked. I wish you people could realize you're getting fucked over as much as the rest of us.

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llbbdd 6 days ago | parent [-]

They are giving things back, that's what a company that sells products is. And the EU/UK should learn something from all this before they have to figure out how to translate all their road signs to Russian or Chinese.

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onestay42 6 days ago | parent [-]

"Yes the company did steal all the wood from the forest—illegally—but at least they're selling us furniture!"

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llbbdd 6 days ago | parent [-]

I struggle to believe that anybody actually cares in this manner, because of the prevalence of bad faith analogies like this one. The trees are still there, and we get furniture. I am not Harper-Collins, I am not Random House. I didn't have a problem when collecting and presenting data like this was called a "search engine" and I don't know why I should believe it's worse now that it can also talk to me.

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onestay42 6 days ago | parent [-]

Those are very good points. I suppose it depends on one's view of IP. I think your comment has actually changed my mind—at least a little bit. Thank you.

	▲	llbbdd 6 days ago \| parent [-]
		Thank you - I do understand the IP argument, especially as it applies to e.g. Meta who may have obtained a lot of their training data illegally, which I think is a wholly separate legal question. I apologize also for referring to your comment as "bad-faith", I have seen the argument applied by other people and cast it onto yours, when I should have just said I didn't think it applied.