| ▲ | pbd 2 days ago |
| The power efficiency is fascinating - modern phones are basically ARM servers optimized for battery life. Pixel 5 probably draws <5W under load vs 50-100W for a typical x86 server. For a personal blog, that's 400-800 kWh/year savings. The environmental impact of reusing vs recycling electronics is under appreciated. |
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| ▲ | SchemaLoad 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| For a static site you can get a lot better by dumping it on S3 or Github Pages. Your site uses 0W while not being used since the server was already running, and it consumes no resource usage while not being requested. But yeah an x86 server at home for a static site is awfully inefficient. |
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| ▲ | holri 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Depends. If you reuse otherwise wasted electronic it is efficient in avoiding extracting resources / energy building new hardware and avoids recycling energy or waste polluting earth.
A big picture analysis of reusing old hardware would be very interesting. | |
| ▲ | tonyedgecombe 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >Your site uses 0W while not being used since the server was already running You are paying for it to be available (or in the case of GitHub Microsoft is as an incentive). | | |
| ▲ | SchemaLoad 2 days ago | parent [-] | | If you put it on AWS S3 (not subsidised), and your website is 1GB, which would be huge for a static blog, it'll cost you $0.27 per year to store / have available. The price is so incredibly small that numerous companies offer it as a completely free service. | | |
| ▲ | ljsprague 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I use Nearly Free Speech to host and pay $20 every few years. Is there a freer host? | | |
| ▲ | selcuka 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | https://pages.cloudflare.com/ | | |
| ▲ | xeonmc 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Aren’t CF sunsetting Pages in favour of Workers? I would be hesitant relying on something that may be shut down anytime. | | |
| ▲ | yoavm 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I've just asked the Workers & Pages team (I work at Cloudflare), and that's not true. "If you’re wondering “What about Pages?” — rest assured, Pages will remain fully supported"
https://blog.cloudflare.com/sv-se/builder-day-2024-announcem... | | |
| ▲ | xeonmc a day ago | parent [-] | | That’s the corporate promise for now, but there is no Ulysses pact guaranteeing they’d support it forever if the financials don’t line up any more, so the second-best guarantee is if there is a strong self-interest incentive that would remain to be the case even in 20, 30 years? They mentioned that they need scale and so offers generous free tiers as proving ground, but would that incentive stay the same after a few decades? | | |
| ▲ | yoavm a day ago | parent [-] | | You do realize you can say that about literally every service in the world, right? |
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| ▲ | kentonv 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No no no, Pages will not be "shut down". Pages is gradually being unified into the Workers platform. For new projects we suggest just starting with Workers as it is strictly more powerful. But eventually existing Pages projects will be migrated to Workers automatically -- either that or we will just keep supporting Pages forever. There are an enormous number of web sites hosted on Pages, it would be insane for us to turn them off. | | |
| ▲ | xeonmc a day ago | parent [-] | | What would happen to the X.pages.dev subdomains when they get auto-migrated? Do they get switched to X.workers.dev silently? My main concern with this sunset is about link rot for those who didn’t use their own domain. Another concern is whether you’d still be able to get unique .pages.dev subdomains per project, it seems that workers force each account to one subdomain only across all projects. When pages get sunset dies it mean that you’ll no longer be able to make new unique pages.dev subdomains? Also, the killer feature for many is the ability to just upload a zip hassle-free, both for production and for preview branches, the preview branches potentially serving as an extra subdomain level namespace. Would Workers still support that no-fuss workflow? | | |
| ▲ | kentonv 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sorry but I think there's still a basic misunderstanding here. Pages is not going away. It is not "sunsetting". What is happening is, the implementation is changing to be more closely integrated with Workers. At present most Pages features are available directly on Workers, but not quite all, but we're working on it. Hence, we're suggesting people use Workers for new projects, but we're not auto-migrating people yet. Once we're feature-complete we'll auto-migrate people to the new implementation. But the "Pages" brand will continue to exist, as a more-integrated part of the Workers platform. pages.dev will not go away. We will not break anyone's sites. Everything you can do with Pages today should be just as easy if not easier on the new implementation. |
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| ▲ | Imustaskforhelp 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I mean, they are sunsetting pages in favour of workers but it seems that static pages even in workers would have unlimited bandwidth and unlimited pages so there seems to have to be no difference and I trust cloudflare enough that they won't really remove these cf pages. | |
| ▲ | wltr 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Do you have some link at hand? | | |
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| ▲ | mPReDiToR 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I've had a NextCloud server and an IRC bouncer running on Oracle Cloud with static IP for two years now, free of charge. More than sufficient to host a site, even dynamic. | |
| ▲ | SchemaLoad 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Github and Gitlab offer free static site hosting. |
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| ▲ | Aachen 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| 50-100W for equivalent work as a phone from 2020 can do would have been the case with CPUs from at least a decade ago. I should hope that one doesn't burn ~75W to host a few static files if it can also run on a Pi or phone or laptop that draws <20W idle That's not to say it's not a good idea to make use of the super efficient "Pi" you already have at home in the form of (several, probably) old smartphones! Just that you'd not use it for the same purpose as a gaming desktop that can't idle below 50W |
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| ▲ | zokier 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Of course it depends on what you consider typical, but x86 can do pretty low power stuff too; n100 systems can idle <10w and 20-30w at full load. |
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| ▲ | eadmund 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > 400-800 kWh/year savings The average all-sector U.S. price per kWh is 13.20 cents (source: https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.ph...). Even at the high end that’s a savings of $105.60/year, or $8.80/month. The U.S. poverty line for 2025 is $15,650 for a single person (source: https://aspe.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/documents/dd73d4f00...). $105.60 is less than one percent of that. Sure, energy efficiency is great and I would rather have $105.60 than not have it, but it doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things. |
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