| ▲ | xpe 3 days ago |
| Remember the YouTube acquisition? Many probably don’t since it was 2006. $1.65B. To many, it seemed bonkers. Narrow point: In general, one person’s impression of what is crazy does not fare well against market-generated information. Broader point: If you think you know more than the market, all other things equal, you’re probably wrong. Lesson: Only searching for reasons why you are right is a fishing expedition. If the investment levels are irrational, to what degree are they? How and why? How will it play out specifically? Predicting these accurately is hard. |
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| ▲ | slashdave 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| > Only searching for reasons why you are right is a fishing expedition. Not to be mean, but aren't you being a little hypercritical here, bringing up your bespoke example of YouTube? |
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| ▲ | xpe 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I think you mean hypocritical. To answer: no, and even if it was a “yes” it wouldn’t affect the argument I was making. I’ll explain. I was wondering how long it would take for this kind of meta-critique would pop up. Meta critiques are interesting: some people use them as zingers, hoping to dismantle someone else’s entire position. But they almost never accomplish that because they are at a different level of argument: they aren’t engaging with the argument itself. Meta-critiques are more like an argument against the person crafting the argument. In this sense, they function not unlike ad hominem attacks while sneakily remaining fair game. Lastly, even if I was a hypocrite, it wouldn’t necessarily mean that I was wrong — it would simply make me inconsistent in the application of a principle. | | |
| ▲ | slashdave 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Oh, I see. Next time I make a mistake, I'll just skip the apology, and claim "I was inconsistent in applying a principle." Yeah, I meant hypocritical. For some reason I couldn't find the right word. | | |
| ▲ | mvdtnz a day ago | parent [-] | | Just so you know you are arguing with LLM output, not a human. |
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| ▲ | xpe 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don’t interpret the above as mean-spirited comment, but it does miss the point of the example I gave; namely, people second-guessing a market (or information heavily influenced by markets, like a new funding round) tend to lose. (Of course there are examples in the other direction, but they are less common and do not deserve equal emphasis.) In general, a market synthesizes more information than any one individual, and when they operate well it is unlikely for an individual is going to beat them. This is a well known general pattern, so if someone wants to argue in the other direction, they need to be ready to offer very strong evidence and reasoning why the market is wrong — and even when they do, they’re still probably going to be wrong. |
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| ▲ | pnt12 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I mean, this sounds like survivor bias in action? Google also bought Motorola for 12 billion and Microsoft bought Nokia for 7 billion. Those weren't success cases. Or more similarly, WeWork got 12B from investor and isn't doing well (hell, bankrupt, according to Wikipedia). |
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| ▲ | tick_tock_tick 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > Google also bought Motorola for 12 billion and Microsoft bought Nokia for 7 billion. Those weren't success cases. A lot of that was patent acquisition rather than trying to run those businesses so it's hard to say a success or not. | |
| ▲ | xpe 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I see what you are getting at, but it is important to understand the context for my example and the argument I’m making. I’ve explained various points at length in other comments: (i) why I selected this example (simply to show that folk wisdom or common sense is less reliable than market-driven valuations) (ii) how a funding round is influenced by markets even though it isn’t directly driven by a classic full market mechanism. Something I haven’t said yet would be a question: how can an outsider rigorously assess the error in a funding round or acquisition? To phrase the question a different way: what price or valuation would an oracle assign based on known information? One might call this ex-ante rationality. Framing it this way helps remove hindsight bias; for example, a subsequent failure doesn’t necessarily mean it was mispriced (sp?) at the time. |
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| ▲ | nikanj 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| $183B makes sense because 20 years ago something else was valued at $1.65 billion and money has decreased in value 100-fold? |
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| ▲ | xpe 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | You seem to think that one selected analogy proves that there’s no other explanation by which something is sensible? Example: I could also make up dozens of reasons why something permitted by the laws of physics seems ridiculous. | |
| ▲ | xenobeb 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | You are just making up nonsense. |
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| ▲ | xyst 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Somebody didn’t get the memo from MIT… |