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mathiaspoint a day ago

Don't use smartphones at all, they're only bad for you and you don't need them. Do anything you can to either get away from them or start moving away from them.

_aavaa_ a day ago | parent | next [-]

And use what? A Linux laptop we carry around with us?

This is just letting them win. And if you think the forced pushing for control over what we can do with our computers will simply leave Linux alone, I don’t know what to tell you.

ndriscoll a day ago | parent | next [-]

Handheld PCs like steam deck or legion go seem like a compelling value, at least if you were going to consider a phone in the $500+ price range. Maybe also something like the Mecha comet on the lower end. If you're in an area where banks require an app, you could then go for the absolute cheapest phone you can find (which can probably be years out of date since the whole exercise has nothing to do with security) and treat it as a single purpose device.

_aavaa_ a day ago | parent | next [-]

Can I fit it in my pocket? Can I make a call? Take a photo?

The steam deck is great, but it’s not build for those things.

And there is no reason to cede ground on entire form factors. This behaviour will not stop at phones (or tablets, or smartwatches).

ndriscoll 13 hours ago | parent [-]

The Mecha Comet appears to be pocketable and comes with a camera. I haven't actually used a phone to make a call when out of the house for like 15 years, so the whole "mobile phone" part seems pointless to me. Actually pretty much the only reason I have a phone number is for MFA. Add a GPS module (ideally built in, but could be bluetooth), and it seems like it'd just be an upgrade over a phone.

Anyway, there are also other Linux devices others have pointed out in the phone form factor like the pine phone, and tablet/notebooks from e.g. GPD. So the form factor is there, but you might need to look at things that are advertised as small computers with touch screens (because that's what they are). So "handheld PC", "pocket computer", etc.

vel0city a day ago | parent | prev [-]

A gaming handheld isn't anywhere near as portable as a smartphone, and generally any general input complaints of a smartphone are even worse on such a device. They're great for gaming, OK for something like watching a movie on it, but otherwise they're pretty bad for even typing short things.

And they're far from pocketable. My Legion Go is in its case in my backpack when I'm on the go.

Honestly netbooks and ultra portable mini notebooks of yore were more portable and useful for a general on the go portable PC. The gaming handhelds are better from a gaming perspective with their far more powerful graphics power and built in controller grips but the general computing experience is pretty crap.

mycall a day ago | parent [-]

> And they're far from pocketable.

If only fashion could redefine what pocketable means.

It is very hard to beat a modern smartphone as a wearable device, but it can't be the end of evolution for wearable compute.

vel0city 14 hours ago | parent [-]

I get that what is "pocketable" can change over time. After all, you go back in time to 2007 and show them an XL iPhone and they'd think you're insane to suggest people see these as pocketable.

But these handheld gaming consoles are huge. They're pretty thick since they have larger cooling systems. They have moulded grips that make these bulbous protrusions on the sides. They have joysticks that stick out and catch on things. Meanwhile they're much more fragile than most mass market phones out there.

noisy_boy a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> And use what? A Linux laptop we carry around with us?

Even if you do that, it won't work in many cases because even in the government agencies, there are some that have gone app-only mode.

otterley a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Or you could start a business making your own completely open phones. If there’s truly a market for that, you could become extremely wealthy.

_aavaa_ a day ago | parent | next [-]

“If there’s truly a market” monopolies, monopsonies, and anti competitive behaviour would never be a problem.

otterley a day ago | parent [-]

What is either company doing unlawfully that’s preventing a disruptive smartphone competitor from arising? Being a duopoly is not in itself unlawful unless either is taking active steps to prevent others from competing in the market.

mathiaspoint a day ago | parent | prev [-]

A truly open phone is just a pocketable Linux laptop with an LTE modem. These already exist, companies like GPD make them.

otterley a day ago | parent [-]

I’m not sure something with a form factor of half the size of a sheet of office paper would suit the market for a typical smartphone.

hoppp a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I need them for my bank and public transport. It sucks but I am locked in. Its a national security issue for Europe to rely on google or apple but seems politicians don't care

gruez a day ago | parent [-]

>for my bank

You can't access it via browser? Maybe there's a few fintechs that are app-only (think robinhood, at least initially) but it's not like all banks only offer access via smartphones.

>public transport

???

me_bx a day ago | parent | next [-]

Many banks in EU countries make it mandatory to have their smartphone app installed in order to validate operations clients perform in their web browsers :/

dotancohen a day ago | parent | next [-]

What do they reply when you tell them you do not own a smartphone?

Even if you do own such a device, they don't need to know that.

Telaneo a day ago | parent [-]

They give you a hardware token that spits out some numbers and use that as your second factor instead. Usually after a lot more fiddling than a TOTP app would be.

Or they don't and tell you to use a different bank.

mathiaspoint a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Sure if you truly need the Android HSM Walmart sells $40 tablets that can run that. You can buy one and keep it in your desk drawer just for banking.

frm88 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Tickets for public transport - mostly in the case of busses - can only be purchased via the app in my country. They used to have ticket machines but these have been phased out over the years at bus stations. Train and subway tickets still work via machines but busses are app only, in many cases you can't even buy a ticket with the driver anymore.

hoppp a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My bank is revolut and Im very happy with them. Im a digital nomad and I can't keep making new bank accounts when I move to a new country.

Their website is very limited and for account recovery only.

mmh0000 a day ago | parent [-]

You’re very happy with your bank the has a very limited website? Why?

My main banks, Fidelity and a local credit union, both offer websites that let me do anything I want with my money from a website. No spyware apps needed.

hoppp a day ago | parent [-]

I don't think they spy on me more than a normal website does and I really don't have the need to use a web interface. Its not a problem as far as UX goes. Also as I wrote they do have a website, just not as feature rich.

const_cast a day ago | parent [-]

Of course they spy on you more, one is a website and the other is an executable you run on your computer.

I would navigate to downloadmoreram.com. I would NOT download moreram.exe and run it. Would you? Fuck no!

Seriously, take a step back and consider why they're pushing the app so much. Why do businesses do things? Money. Its all very simple, we just have to be honest with ourselves.

hoppp a day ago | parent [-]

As a digital nomad without permanent address I am happy to not have to change bank accounts every time I move. Thats it.

const_cast 7 hours ago | parent [-]

And that's great, but there's tradeoffs. You're not allowed to simply proclaim the tradeoffs don't exist.

lawn a day ago | parent | prev [-]

In Sweden banks require you to have the BankID authentication app to login on web page (and banking apps, and many other pages).

Banks may offer a physical device but that's another device you have to being with you, and it's not supported by all services anyway.

While not required the same way as water or air is required, it's super limiting and inconvenient to live in Sweden and not have access to the BankID app (either on Android or iOS).

ksec a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Depending on which part of the world you are in. It is increasingly impossible to do it. Post COVID, Cash is no longer accepted in many stores or restaurants. Smaller shops that used to avoid VISA and Master now accept them as well, at the expense of slight increase in menu price.

Landlord would rather leave shops empty than rent it at lower price. In order to combat rental restaurants cut cost by having QR Code ordering system.

The uses of QR Code, whether it is for payment or information makes Smartphone mandatory in those places.

Spending Money online with VISA or master now requires Mobile App log in for Authentication. Government Digital Log in System now also default to Apps.

I may be missing a few things, and there will be many more things to come that moves to Mobile Apps only direction.

m01 a day ago | parent [-]

Surely you can still pay with plastic cards, at least if the venue advertises accepting the big card issuers?

The latest neobank might require an app, but I'd be surprised if you couldn't find any bank in your country that allows you to spend money without using mobile apps.

Ask if you can order/pay without using the QR code. I'd be surprised if venues didn't have a paper menu as backup.

Telaneo a day ago | parent [-]

> Ask if you can order/pay without using the QR code. I'd be surprised if venues didn't have a paper menu as backup.

For newer restaurants, I really wouldn't bet on this being a thing. Or if they do, it's the ones they had before they updated their menus to QR codes, and thus might not be accurate any more.

It's like being blind and asking for the braille menu. Sure, they should have one, but don't bet on them having one.

And even if you know what you want and can pay in cash, even if they're legally bound to take your money at that point, you're working against the current and on some level being a (principled) ass to the staff serving you, who probably had no say in the system they're now having to deal with. It wouldn't even surprise me if some of these places have gone no-cash to the point of not having any place to put your cash after you've paid.

The actual solution is probably 'go somewhere else', but we all how that might go.

TeaBrain a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've recently eaten at several restaurants where the menus were only available via a link reachable from a QR code. At the last place, I asked if the 13 page menus were available in physical form and the waiter explained that they didn't have any. Technically, a phone doesn't need to be that "smart" to reach a QR code and access a web page, but it's just one more way that people are being locked into using phones for tasks that previously didn't require them.

zahlman a day ago | parent | next [-]

> At the last place, I asked if the 13 page menus were available in physical form and the waiter explained that they didn't have any.

I would walk out.

mathiaspoint a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I know. You just figure it out. QR code menus aren't worth effectively selling yourself into slavery.

kmeisthax a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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binary132 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

the only correct take