> I meant applying two instances to different problems. That very much scales.

You can't double the speed at which you solve a problem by splitting it in two and assigning one person to each half. Fred Brooks wrote a whole book about how this doesn't scale.

> this system is capable of producing another system by definition

Yeah, humans can produce other humans too. We're talking about whether that system can produce an improved system, which isn't necessarily true. The design could easily be a local maximum with no room for improvement.

> Humans are capable of following Moores law

Not indefinitely. Technical limitations eventually cause us to hit a point of diminishing returns. Technological progress follows a sigmoid curve, not an exponential curve.

> It isn't bound by inner problems like "(good nutrition, education, etc)", because it is a mathematical model

It's an engineering problem, not a math problem. Transistors only get so small, memory access only gets so fast. There are practical limits to what we can do with information.

> We are capable of accelerating "objects" to 0.99..c.

Are we? In practice? Because it's one thing to say, "the laws of physics don't prohibit it," and quite another to do it with real machines in the real world.

> > technical roadblock at (arbitrarily) 1.5x human intelligence

> I wrote "until the limit of information density".

Yeah, I know: That's wildly optimistic, because it assumes technological progress goes on forever without ever getting stuck at local maxima. Who's to say that it doesn't require at least 300IQ of intelligence to come up with the paradigm shift required to build a 200IQ brain? That would mean machines are capped at 200IQ forever.

> Note, that every intelligent system is completely able to be simulated by a large enough non intelligent statistical system, so intelligence isn't inferable from a set of inputs -> outputs.

This is circular. If a non-intelligent statistical system is simulating intelligence, then it is an intelligent system. Intelligence is a thing that can be done, and it is doing it.

> A system (humans) can never completely "understand" itself, because it's "information size" is as large as itself, but to contain something, it needs to be larger then this.

I don't think this logic checks out. You can fit all the textbooks and documentation describing how a 1TB hard drive works on a 1TB hard drive with plenty of room to spare. Your idea feels intuitively true, but I don't see any reason why it should necessarily be true.

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1718627440 4 days ago | parent [-]

> You can't double the speed

I only need two instances to be faster then a single one. This means the human having the resources to run the system is unbound to do anything an infinite number of humans can do regarding his own time and energy.

> Yeah, humans can produce other humans too

In this hypothetical scenario humans were able to build "AI" (including formalized, deterministic and reproducible). A system as capable as a human (=AI) is then able to produce many such systems.

> There are practical limits to what we can do with information.

Yes, but we are nowhere near this limits yet.

> Are we? In practice?

Yes. We are able to build a particle accelerator. Given enough resources, we can have enough particle generators as there are particles in a car.

> That would mean machines are capped at 200IQ forever.

Except when the 300IQ thing is found by chance. When the system is reproducible and you aren't bound by resources, then a small chance means nothing.

> This is circular.

No it just means intelligence is not attributable to a black box. We don't think other humans are intelligent solely by their behaviour, we conclude that they are similar then us and we have introspection into us.

> You can fit all the textbooks and documentation describing how a 1TB hard drive works on a 1TB hard drive with plenty of room to spare.

It's not about encoding the result of having understood. A human is very much capable of computing according to the nature of a human. It's about the process of understanding itself. The harddrive can store this, it can't create it. Try to build a machine that makes predictions about itself including the lowest level of itself. You won't get faster then time.

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bccdee 4 days ago | parent [-]

> Yes, but we are nowhere near this limits yet.

Says who?

> Given enough resources, we can have enough particle generators as there are particles in a car.

Given by whom? I said in practice—you can't just assume limitless resources.

> Except when the 300IQ thing is found by chance. When the system is reproducible and you aren't bound by resources, then a small chance means nothing.

We're bound by resources! Highly so! Stop trying to turn practical questions about what humans can actually accomplish into infinite-monkey-infinite-typewriter thought experiments.

> We don't think other humans are intelligent solely by their behaviour

I wouldn't say that, haha

> It's not about encoding the result of having understood. It's about the process of understanding itself.

A process can be encoded into data. Let's assume it takes X gigabytes to encode comprehension of how a hard drive array works. Since data storage does not grow significantly more complex with size (only physically larger), it stands to reason that an X-GB hard drive array can handily store the process for its own comprehension.

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1718627440 4 days ago | parent [-]

> Says who?

Because I think we haven't even started. Where is the proof based system able to invent every possible thought paradigm of humans a priori? I think we are so far away from anything like this, we can't even describe the limits. Maybe we will never have and never do.

> you can't just assume limitless resources

I assumed that, because the resource limits of a very rich human (meaning for whom money is never the limit) and the one true AI system are not different in my opinion.

> comprehension

Comprehension is already the result. But I don't think this is a sound definable concept, so maybe I should stop defending this.

	▲	bccdee 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		> Where is the proof based system able to invent every possible thought paradigm of humans a priori? Beyond the realm of feasibility, I'd imagine. The gulf between what is theoretically possible and what is realistically doable is gargantuan. > I assumed that, because the resource limits of a very rich human (meaning for whom money is never the limit) The resources of a very rich human are extremely limited, in the grand scheme of things. They can only mobilize so much of the global economy, and even the entire global economy is only capable of doing so much. That's what I'm getting at: Just because there's some theoretical configuration of matter that would constitute a superintelligence, does not guarantee that humanity, collectively, is capable of producing it. Some things are just beyond us.