> You can't double the speed

I only need two instances to be faster then a single one. This means the human having the resources to run the system is unbound to do anything an infinite number of humans can do regarding his own time and energy.

> Yeah, humans can produce other humans too

In this hypothetical scenario humans were able to build "AI" (including formalized, deterministic and reproducible). A system as capable as a human (=AI) is then able to produce many such systems.

> There are practical limits to what we can do with information.

Yes, but we are nowhere near this limits yet.

> Are we? In practice?

Yes. We are able to build a particle accelerator. Given enough resources, we can have enough particle generators as there are particles in a car.

> That would mean machines are capped at 200IQ forever.

Except when the 300IQ thing is found by chance. When the system is reproducible and you aren't bound by resources, then a small chance means nothing.

> This is circular.

No it just means intelligence is not attributable to a black box. We don't think other humans are intelligent solely by their behaviour, we conclude that they are similar then us and we have introspection into us.

> You can fit all the textbooks and documentation describing how a 1TB hard drive works on a 1TB hard drive with plenty of room to spare.

It's not about encoding the result of having understood. A human is very much capable of computing according to the nature of a human. It's about the process of understanding itself. The harddrive can store this, it can't create it. Try to build a machine that makes predictions about itself including the lowest level of itself. You won't get faster then time.

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bccdee 4 days ago | parent [-]

> Yes, but we are nowhere near this limits yet.

Says who?

> Given enough resources, we can have enough particle generators as there are particles in a car.

Given by whom? I said in practice—you can't just assume limitless resources.

> Except when the 300IQ thing is found by chance. When the system is reproducible and you aren't bound by resources, then a small chance means nothing.

We're bound by resources! Highly so! Stop trying to turn practical questions about what humans can actually accomplish into infinite-monkey-infinite-typewriter thought experiments.

> We don't think other humans are intelligent solely by their behaviour

I wouldn't say that, haha

> It's not about encoding the result of having understood. It's about the process of understanding itself.

A process can be encoded into data. Let's assume it takes X gigabytes to encode comprehension of how a hard drive array works. Since data storage does not grow significantly more complex with size (only physically larger), it stands to reason that an X-GB hard drive array can handily store the process for its own comprehension.

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1718627440 4 days ago | parent [-]

> Says who?

Because I think we haven't even started. Where is the proof based system able to invent every possible thought paradigm of humans a priori? I think we are so far away from anything like this, we can't even describe the limits. Maybe we will never have and never do.

> you can't just assume limitless resources

I assumed that, because the resource limits of a very rich human (meaning for whom money is never the limit) and the one true AI system are not different in my opinion.

> comprehension

Comprehension is already the result. But I don't think this is a sound definable concept, so maybe I should stop defending this.

	▲	bccdee 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		> Where is the proof based system able to invent every possible thought paradigm of humans a priori? Beyond the realm of feasibility, I'd imagine. The gulf between what is theoretically possible and what is realistically doable is gargantuan. > I assumed that, because the resource limits of a very rich human (meaning for whom money is never the limit) The resources of a very rich human are extremely limited, in the grand scheme of things. They can only mobilize so much of the global economy, and even the entire global economy is only capable of doing so much. That's what I'm getting at: Just because there's some theoretical configuration of matter that would constitute a superintelligence, does not guarantee that humanity, collectively, is capable of producing it. Some things are just beyond us.