It's also entirely fine if they delete these images to me. But not with a week of time frame, as originally intended.

And sure, we can go ahead and discuss how this being free incurs no SLAs or guarantees. That's correct, but does not mean that such a short time frame is both rude and not a high quality of offering a service. If I look at how long it would take us to cancel a customer contract and off-board those...

And apparently it costs $9 to host this for another month? Sheesh.

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999900000999 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

If your doing anything serious you should have artifactory setup.

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tetha 4 days ago | parent [-]

I agree. We do have mirrors setup, we do have observability into the images we use across the infrastructure. This has concluded we only have a minor issue with this move, wonderfully.

But, just butting users with "Just do this good practice" or "Just do this NOW" still is an uphill battle and will usually not cause the best effect with users. We're currently doing this while moving our 2-3 artifactories into one. If we just shut this stuff off because "You should have more control with your builds", there'd be a riot.

And sure, some people will still fail the migration no matter what. But such time frames are still punishing any but the most professional companies.

That's all in all the work I consider a good operations team to do. Make a stink, provide a migration path, be noticeable, and push people off of the old stuff. Just breaking things because "you should have" is burning trust by the mile.

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999900000999 4 days ago | parent [-]

So much of this industry runs off of good will.

Free software. Free docker images/registries.

Then when a company is like "Hey, um we need to make money", every body gets upset.

We need a more substainable way forward. I can't tell you what that looks like though.

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mdaniel 3 days ago | parent [-]

This is not an accurate characterization of what's generating the outrage

The Path to Outrage is actually:

1. Launch HN with MPL licensing, "we <3 Open Source!11"

2. (a few moments later) Onoz, engineers cost money and that sweet VC juice dries up

3. echo BuSL > LICENSE; git commit -am"License update"; blog about "safeguarding our customers" or whatever

4. shocked pikachu face when users, who starting using the open source product, and maybe even contributed bug fixes or suggestions on how to make the community product better, lose their minds about having the rug pulled out from under them

Contrast this with:

1. Launch HN, asking for money to pay for the product

2. Potential customers will evaluate if the product adds enough value for the money requested

There is no step 3 containing outrage because everyone was on the same page from the beginning

	▲	tetha 3 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> 2. (a few moments later) Onoz, engineers cost money and that sweet VC juice dries up > > 3. echo BuSL > LICENSE; git commit -am"License update"; blog about "safeguarding our customers" or whatever In this case, it's a lot more nefarious. My boss has a list of companies Broadcom has literally sucked dry for money regardless if the company will make it 2 more years. Pretty much everything maintained by VMWare Tanzu and VMWare has to be considered a business risk at this point. And I maintain, I'm not even mad that the free images go away. I'm saying it's unprofessional and rude how they are being removed. Which however isn't surprising with Broadcom per the last point. And sure, the answer is to do it all in-house. But the industry has saved a lot of manpower and made tremendous progress by not doing that and sharing effort for a long time.
	▲	999900000999 2 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Why do you expect for profit organizations to provide tools for free. Eventually the rug needs to be pulled. A non profit foundation is probably closer to what you want

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