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34679 6 days ago

I had a theory that it was someone walking across the field with an electronic device, like a flashlight. So I looked up the duration of the signal, size of the field, and average walking pace. It matched perfectly.

floatrock 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

There's a story of a famous observatory that, iirc, kept on seeing really powerful intermittent signals that they couldn't quite hone in on. It seemed everytime they tried to zoom in on the source they couldn't find it again. Signal was quite elusive.

They finally traced it to people using the microwave in the break room in a very specific way. Some people liked to open the microwave door before the timer went off. The microwave stopped, of course, but there was a split second where it was still emitting while the protective cage was opened, and the energy that leaked out during those couple of ms were enough to screw with the observatory equipment.

Aliens? Nope, just some tired grad student reheating their coffee.

plushpuffin 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/may/05/microwave-ov...

grigri907 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Believe me, I'm as angry about this as you will be, but TIL that the correct term is "to home in," which makes sense, but nowhere near as pleasing, or visual, as "hone in."

ProllyInfamous 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Note: Good enough reason to never just open the microwave to stop heating.

Press `STOP` first, got it.

ashleyn 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

It's not ionising radiation, so probably not all that dangerous at the dose and time.

entropicdrifter 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Meh, it's less dangerous than granite countertops

merelysounds 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

Interesting, I didn’t know.

> The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency says most granite countertops are safe, adding little to a house's radon level. It depends on the rock that is used, the agency says, recommending that homeowners concerned about radon get their countertops tested."

https://www.naturalstoneinstitute.org/designprofessionals/ra...

ProllyInfamous 5 days ago | parent [-]

>Radon

I live in a high-radon part of the world (Appalachia), and there are so many more benefits to having an ERV[0] than just getting rid of toxic gasses (handles farts, too!). Worth every penny — one will remove stink from the entire 1000sqft house (including indoor cat litterbox), with partial heat/humidity recovery.

[0] Energy recovery vent, e.g. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Panasonic-WhisperComfort-60-20-5...

pavel_lishin 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

In terms of radiation?

pyman 5 days ago | parent [-]

Not sure about radiation, but I once tried to boil an egg in the microwave and the microwave exploded. For a second, I thought the chicken had secretly developed human-level intelligence and planted an explosive inside the egg to get back at those stealing its babies. That was my "wow" moment. Then my dad confirmed it was my fault and compared my intelligence to the chicken's.

metalliqaz 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

even when my microwave is closed, the interference it generates while running blocks my bluetooth headphones

floatrock 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

Yep. Water molecules resonate at 2.4 GHz (so that's what microwaves emit), which is also the unlicensed radio spectrum that bluetooth and a lot of other consumer radio devices operate on.

Not sure which is the chicken and which is the egg here.

But the observatory had either a well-shielded microwave or break room was in an adjacent building or something (they did consider "ya know, microwaves make RF emissions, and we're running a sensitive RF measurement facility here"). It was just when the door was opened that the energy emissions exceeded the design specifications. Classic human factors always find a way around your design.

ianburrell 6 days ago | parent [-]

The microwave came first. The 2.4GHz ISM band was reserved because of microwave interference. It turned out to be perfect for short-range low-power radio because microwaves don't run all the time, and don't go far outside the house.

Microwaves have gotten better shielding. My old one used to take out Wifi and Bluetooth standing next to it, but my current one doesn't cause problems.

paulgerhardt 6 days ago | parent [-]

Well it was radar. The first Raytheon microwaves were really pushing for 3GHz not 2.4GHz. If you like to play Connections, the reason for that is the first mass produced magnetrons were made by gun manufacturers like Colt and Smith & Wesson and the tooling for gun bore holes and magnetron cavities lined up at 3GHz.

The official FCC minutes from 1945 [1] indicate that publicly they were marketed for heat therapy massages not food, with a weird wink, wink that if they could get a carve out for using for medical reasons they could also sell it to the Navy for reheating food as well.

The ISM carve out came after by a couple of years in 1947 because Raytheon had got an exception for this machine, not the other way around.

The whole origin story of why this particular slot of spectrum is full of carts before horses. That water oscillation thing is a common misconception - water oscillates at much higher frequencies [2].

[1] https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-FCC/FCC-Annual-Rep...

[2] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01691...

sidewndr46 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I lived in a pretty cheap cluster of apartments. I could already hear when my neighbor got home each day, but could also determine the exact time they microwaved their TV dinner each evening by watching the WiFi drop out

yencabulator 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I bought a new microwave to stop wrecking my wife's videoconferencing over 2.4 GHz wifi.

carlhjerpe 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

I would recommend upgrading to 5ghz Wi-Fi, it's a lot better.

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MathMonkeyMan 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I did some undergrad research on the [ADMX][1] experiment, which is searching for a theoretical particle by listening for its interaction with a microwave photon in a big, ultra-cold cylinder that can be tuned to different frequencies.

A while back, they thought that they might have found something at 700 MHz. Then went looking again and it was gone. My professor said that it was probably a CPU in the lab.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axion_Dark_Matter_Experiment

jfengel 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It would have to be a very specific kind of device. The "Wow!" signal isn't broad-spectrum noise. It's one specific frequency, and it just happens to be a frequency near one we expect to be used as a signal.

Somebody could well have been walking across a field with a 1450 MHz generator. I don't know why; maybe it was a prototype of a portable microwave-oven/Walkman mashup. If so, it was leaky, and perhaps that's why it never caught on.

griffzhowl 6 days ago | parent [-]

> it just happens to be a frequency near one we expect to be used as a signal.

What's the reasoning for this? I've seen noted that the Wow signal of 1420 MHz is near the hydrogen line frequency, and is commonly detected astrophysically.

So is the reasoning just that, if you want to send a signal, then you might choose this frequency because other civilizations will probably have detectors tuned to it?

But then the flip-side of that is that if you detect this frequency, then it's almost certainly natural origin, from the excitation of hydrogen.

raflemakt 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

In Carl Sagan’s novel Contact, the aliens chose to transmit their signal at «hydrogen times pi» — which is around 4462 MHz.

exe34 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

yes that other 'people' will be listening, no, because you can pulse it with the fibbonaci sequence or prime numbers, which are not easily produced by astrophysical processes.

griffzhowl 6 days ago | parent [-]

Of course if there's a pattern like that it would change things. This signal seems to have been a single pulse though

wolfgang42 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

We have no idea whether the signal had a pattern because the only recording we have of it consists of averages over 10-second samples, so any modulation <10s (or patterns larger than the 72s recording) would have been lost. It could have been an AM broadcast of a herd of circus elephants playing the William Tell Overture for all we know.

griffzhowl 6 days ago | parent [-]

True. That's why I hedged with "seems to". Our only measurement of it is consistent with it being a single pulse

jfengel 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yep. It's wildly unlikely that this was any kind of deliberate signal. Whatever caused it, it only happened once -- which isn't what you'd expect from aliens hoping to make contact.

We only recorded the fact of the signal's existence, without enough resolution to make out any pattern within it. If the aliens were hoping we'd decode it, they were banking on us happening to catch their signal at a very specific instant in time, never to be repeated.

N19PEDL2 4 days ago | parent [-]

> it only happened once -- which isn't what you'd expect from aliens hoping to make contact.

Actually it’s exactly what we did with the Arecibo message, our only attempt to make contact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arecibo_message

throwway120385 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

On our timescale, sure. But then we wouldn't want to communicate with intelligences that experience time so differently that a pulsed signal from their perspective would be a single pulse from our perspective.

peddling-brink 5 days ago | parent [-]

Random aside, but relevant to the discussion. If you haven’t read The Dragon’s Egg, you’re in for a treat.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon%27s_Egg

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MisterTea 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I doubt a flashlight of that time, a DC device, is going to emit a strong narrow band radio signal in the GHz range.

kiliantics 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Duration of the signal, along with intensity variation, is consistent with the duration of any possible point source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal#Time_variation

andrecarini 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Would you mind expanding on your theory more?

34679 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

It was after watching a documentary called "WOW Signal". The receiver they built was along the edge of a field, and it's designed to pick up extremely weak variations in electrical signals/radio waves. They go into great detail about how sensitive it is. The signal itself looks like a parabola when graphed, gaining in intensity and then falling off at the same rate. Exactly what you'd expect from someone walking across the field in front of it. And if I remember correctly, the signal was more about how much it differed from what was expected, not necessarily how intense it was. My thinking is that if it can pick up on the variations in signal from a star system light-years away, it would also indicate on a Timex watch (or flashlight) a dozen meters away.

venusenvy47 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

I'd like to watch this documentary. Do you know the year and/or channel where you saw it? The antenna is focused with a tremendous amount of gain towards a spot in the sky, and provides a very significant amount of rejection to signals in all other directions. I can't see how you would get a signal at 1.42 GHz from a watch or flashlight. Harmonics from something like a walkie talkie only occur when the radio is transmitting, and they would spread in bandwidth at each successive harmonic. It would have to be an extremely narrow fundamental frequency, with no audio signal on it, to get a signal with less than 10 kHz at 1.42 GHz.

34679 5 days ago | parent [-]

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt7928816/

I don't remember where I watched it, but the 2nd and 3rd links from a kagi search were for Prime and Apple TV.

lelanthran 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> The signal itself looks like a parabola when graphed, gaining in intensity and then falling off at the same rate. Exactly what you'd expect from someone walking across the field in front of it.

Also exactly what you'd expect if aliens were beaming a search signal into their sky, no?

34679 6 days ago | parent [-]

Yes, but one is far more likely.

lelanthran 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Yes, but one is far more likely.

Well, yeah, but I wasn't addressing that. My point is that any signal from an intelligent species is going to look exactly like the signal from someone walking past with an emitter.

pyman 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Statistically speaking, everything points to human interference.

My theory is that the government was planning to cut funding, and to stop that from happening someone deliberately created the interference. That's more likely than aliens going extinct after sending one single message.

m3kw9 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Trust me bro theory

anikom15 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

What handheld electronic devices existed in 1977? A flashlight would have been incandescent.

dghlsakjg 6 days ago | parent [-]

Handheld radios (walkie talkie) predate that by at least a decade.

They probably were mostly operating around 30 mhz in the CB band or 120-150 in the Ham or aircraft bands in that era, but harmonics are a thing

pyman 5 days ago | parent [-]

Or the government was planning to cut funding, and to stop that from happening someone deliberately created the interference.

Statistically speaking, that's more likely than aliens going extinct after sending one single message.