I've been using a mouse from https://pmm.gg, it weighs about half as much as the mouse I swapped the guts out of (28 grams vs 60 grams). Basically a couple sheets of printer paper.

I don't really care about the weight, what caught my attention was they offer ceramic? coated magnesium scrollwheels. My otherwise mild skin condition completely destroys the shitty grippy/gummy rubber they put on scrollwheels and sometimes the sides of the mice. They offer the same coating on the shells, which I really enjoy.

Yes, it's expensive but it still costs less than replacing mice over and over. I spend too much time holding this damn thing to settle for anything less. The quality is exceptional, assembly was easy, and the carbon fiber rod that snaps into place horizontally across the shape makes it more rigid than the stock mouse.

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masklinn 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

> My otherwise mild skin condition completely destroys the shitty grippy/gummy rubber they put on scrollwheels and sometimes the sides of the mice.

I’m not sure it’s even skin conditions. I think it’s just the natural oils in the skin. It’s part of what polishes plastics (e.g. keyboard keys), and over time it impregnates the rubber which swells then falls apart.

This process is why wet belts are stupid, no reason to think mouse wheel rubber is any different.

	▲	Night_Thastus 4 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I agree with wet belts - it's a terrible idea - but I'm not sure the comparison is great. Skin oil and synthetic oil are very chemically different - as are the rubbers used in a cheap mousewheel versus an engine belt.
	▲	monster_truck a day ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I have to wipe my kit down with soapy water every few hours or they will be caked with a disgusting amount of dead skin. My fingernails after 4 days are about as long as typical people after 2 weeks.

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moron4hire 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I actually like a heavier mouse. A lot of modern devices feel inconsequential and cheap (well, because they are). I've gone so far as to open my mice and glue in a few pennies to increase the weight. Makes it feel much better. At first it seemed kind of silly, but then I realized it doesn't matter. All that matters is how I feel about the devices I use for hours a day, every day.

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danielvinson 4 days ago | parent [-]

I felt this way for a long time and used a heavy mouse for daily use then switched to my lightweight mouse for gaming. I changed my mind very fast when I started developing carpel tunnel symptoms from the heavy mouse - using your wrist to move a heavy object in the same pattern for 6+ hours a day is just not healthy for you and when your job involves doing that, its 100% worth it to just use the lightweight mouse for everything. I actually found that my wrist felt better with the 55g mouse than with a trackball or a touchpad.

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rootusrootus 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

An alternative approach that has worked for me is to get out of the habit of using little muscles as much as I can. I don't use my wrist much with the mouse, I move my whole arm. I try to apply that to everything I do and I've managed to avoid repetitive motion injuries. Last time I experienced anything like carpal tunnel was in college (decades ago).

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luqtas 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

heavy? like what, 120 grams? most people don't develop RSI from their computer usage... much more if they exercise, stretch and do breaks

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moron4hire 4 days ago | parent [-]

In my mid 20s I started developing RSI. I went through a bunch of different devices designed to supposedly be "ergonomic" and while the problem would go away temporarily, it would eventually come back.

I eventually found that it's not any one device that cures RSI. It's much better to switch up between different devices on a regular basis.

So, now I have two keyboards I switch between about weekly. It's fairly easy because I just switch between working at the office vs home and have two different designs of devices in the two locations. Occasionally I use the laptop keyboard and track pad directly. I still program a lot and haven't had another RSI flare-up in about 7 years.

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luqtas 3 days ago | parent [-]

you can ask or hire any personal ergonomic service/company to evaluate what needs to get better at your workstation and they will say that devices are the last item on the list. posture, adequate chair/table height and breaks are much more important than 50 grams less on your mouse

	▲	monster_truck a day ago \| parent [-]
		The OSHA Computer Workstation Posture Checklist is gospel and if anyone reading this is struggling with RSI and hasn't followed it to the letter, please do so immediately. It is frankly disgusting how quickly a few seemingly small bad habits can grow into a monster nerve issue

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ibaikov 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I successfully removed this coating from my razer mouse using alcohol, it was pretty easy to do. The coating felt good when I unboxed the mouse, but yeah it turned into this chewed gum mess, now it's just plastic which is ok.

Also turned out that disassembling the mouse was easy, so you probably might just swap the wheel entirely.

	▲	monster_truck a day ago \| parent [-]
		Soapy water is your friend. Iso annihilates plastics.

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KennyBlanken 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

That manufacturer falls under "fool, money, parted, easily." A Finalmouse which is probably the pinnacle of lightweight gaming mice, costs about $180 and they want $100-ish more than that?

> Yes, it's expensive but it still costs less than replacing mice over and over.

I have a ten year old Razer Ultimate still going strong, buddy. $100 new.

> My otherwise mild skin condition completely destroys the shitty grippy/gummy rubber they put on scrollwheels and sometimes the sides of the mice.

No, whatever you're putting on your skin is. In any case: buy a $20 set of grips/pads and problem solved...

> the carbon fiber rod that snaps into place horizontally across the shape makes it more rigid than the stock mouse.

If you're having issues with rigidity of your mouse, you're holding it too tight...

	▲	Melonai 4 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I kind of get where you're coming from, but if your solution for them is to: - Relearn the way they grip their mouse completely - Stop secreting skin oils - Stop some ointment that you are assuming they use for some reason - Buy mouse grip replacements constantly Or: - Just buying a slightly more expensive mouse that they like I don't think you're going to sell them on this...
	▲	monster_truck a day ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I think you've missed every point I was making, keep up the good work. > Finalmouse Trash product, none of the people I play with or against use one. You've kind of outed yourself here but I'll humor you further. > I have a ten year old mouse that works fine Good for you. I assure you I use mine far, far more than you. If you knew who I was you could go find me on esportsearnings, I've won against and have played with some of the people you see in mice ads. > No, whatever you're putting on your skin is I don't put anything on my skin. My body makes far more of everything than it needs. I have to wipe them down with a bit of soap and water every few hours or they will be absolutely caked in skin. If I wait more than 4 days to file or cut my fingernails they are disgustingly long. > buy a $20 set of grips/pads and problem solved Have you ever tried doing this? They are attached to the shell with adhesives that cannot be removed without also destroying the plastic underneath. > rigidity Was highlighting how the weight reduction does not come at the cost of structural stability. If you knew what you were talking about you'd know many struggle with squeezing the mouse too hard. I do not have this issue