| ▲ | simmerup 4 days ago |
| So naive. Talking points from the mouthpieces of the CCP and Russia who would love us to believe we’re all the same |
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| ▲ | specproc 4 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| Russians of any gender or minority could vote for their representative in 1917. Women in the States only got full suffrage in 1920, African Americans in 1965. So no real pedigree there. |
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| ▲ | andrepd 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | And only in 1917... :) | |
| ▲ | AnthonyMouse 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | African Americans got the right to vote in the US in 1870. | | |
| ▲ | specproc 4 days ago | parent [-] | | But a whole state-level legislative architecture meant that suffrage wasn't accessible nationwide till the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Modern voter registration laws, which are gathering pace today, are largely targeted at keeping minority voters from exercising their democratic rights. Great timeline here:
https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2021/05/politics/black-v... | | |
| ▲ | AnthonyMouse 4 days ago | parent [-] | | If you want to talk about whether something exists in practice rather than on paper then I have some news for you about Russia. | | |
| ▲ | specproc 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, exactly. I'm saying the UK and America have democracies of equal quality to and poorer pedigree than Russia. Edit for clarity. | | |
| ▲ | AnthonyMouse 3 days ago | parent [-] | | The US has generally had elections in which whether you could run did not depend on your ideology or opposition to the current administration, and the candidate who got the most votes would get into office. Russia, not so much. |
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| ▲ | closewith 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No, it's not naive at all. The UK in particular are not the good guys. Apart from their appalling behaviour during their recent expeditionary wars, their current support of the Israeli genocide in Gaza, their sexual and physical abuse of locals near British Overseas bases, they also have an incredibly poor record with their own citizens. British behaviour in Northern Ireland was itself genocidal, and involved the regular murder of civilians from decades. Even today they are continuing the legal protection of the perpetrators. |
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| ▲ | simmerup 4 days ago | parent [-] | | I consider it naive to even start talking about nation states in terms of ‘good guys’ | | |
| ▲ | closewith 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Well, all countries are complex collections of people and ideas, so like people, there are no pure good guys. But we have all been subjected to particularly US propaganda portraying the West as the global good guys, and specproc challenged that worldview in the comment to which you replied. Ironically, you criticised him for being naive as he was challenging the concept of the West as the good guys, something you now call naive yourself. So it seems you aren't internally consistent. | | |
| ▲ | SV_BubbleTime 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Yes. I don’t know why anyone would point to people with the safest and most economic mobility in history as some sort of success story! | | |
| ▲ | closewith 4 days ago | parent [-] | | > the safest and most economic mobility in history Do you believe this is the US? |
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| ▲ | buyucu 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Not everyone you disagree with is a CCP/Russia/<insert_scapegoat> mouthpiece. |
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| ▲ | simmerup 4 days ago | parent [-] | | No, but they could very easily be using the same talking points | | |
| ▲ | aa-jv 4 days ago | parent [-] | | So? Maybe the Russians are right about some things, now and then. | | |
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