No, it's not naive at all. The UK in particular are not the good guys.

Apart from their appalling behaviour during their recent expeditionary wars, their current support of the Israeli genocide in Gaza, their sexual and physical abuse of locals near British Overseas bases, they also have an incredibly poor record with their own citizens.

British behaviour in Northern Ireland was itself genocidal, and involved the regular murder of civilians from decades. Even today they are continuing the legal protection of the perpetrators.

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simmerup 4 days ago | parent [-]

I consider it naive to even start talking about nation states in terms of ‘good guys’

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closewith 4 days ago | parent [-]

Well, all countries are complex collections of people and ideas, so like people, there are no pure good guys.

But we have all been subjected to particularly US propaganda portraying the West as the global good guys, and specproc challenged that worldview in the comment to which you replied. Ironically, you criticised him for being naive as he was challenging the concept of the West as the good guys, something you now call naive yourself.

So it seems you aren't internally consistent.

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SV_BubbleTime 4 days ago | parent [-]

Yes. I don’t know why anyone would point to people with the safest and most economic mobility in history as some sort of success story!

	▲	closewith 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		> the safest and most economic mobility in history Do you believe this is the US?