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idiomat9000 21 hours ago

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Daishiman 21 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is such a tremendously biased and ignorant e reading of history it blows my mind.

Hamas is a modern creation that has nothing to do with Gaza. Gaza was a refugee camp for the displaced Palestinianas, many who came from towns torched by Jewish paramilitary forces.

To talk about Islam legitimizing attacking nonbelievers is as bigoted a statement as characterizing Judaism by the insane beliefs of the half million settlers who constantly bulldoze Palestinian towns (and act which the West refuses to call it what it is: terrorism and ethnic cleansing).

For the Palestinians and the southern Lebanese who have also been bombed by Israel, or the innocent people who die every day in Gaza, Israel is the “permanent hostile neighbor”. Hamas and Hezbollah didn’t come out of the ether.

idiomat9000 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Hamass is a direct spawn of the muslim brotherhood which spawned due to hitlers propaganda in the 2nd worldwar. The idea that shaped the organisation are ancient and literally where there before israel was founded as save haven for the jews escaping europe and the middle east .

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4gotunameagain 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Israel is by definition a western colony and a planted, newly formed state.

Of course the displaced people that have been living there for thousands of years will be aggressive against it.

What is happening in Gaza is not just atrocious, it is an offence to the very concept of humanity.

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StopDisinfo910 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The whole point of the article you are commenting on is discussing the history of the notion of Eretz Yisrael, a political point which has always existed in Israel and has become significant after Netanyahu recent interview - certainly not a “Western fantasy” - and confront it with how it was applied during Israel history.

No one is discussing than Ben-Gurion did use borders as a négociation tool. But Likud’s 1977 platform also exists and the “Yinon plan”.

The main question is how relevant is the concept to Israel current political environment and ambitions.

I have no comment to make about your last paragraph. I fear we have reached the point where history will have to be the judge.

idiomat9000 17 hours ago | parent [-]

My whole argument is that "great israel" as an idea in a democracy never had any vetoing power aka any blockung majority. Its as relevant to israel as "nazi-moonbases" are to the western world. Its loud cringe fringe ignored. What Israel wants most of all is peace , because war with a reservist army hurts its economy. Yet, it has been at war with the islamo-supremacists in the arab world forever and a day. Israel has to deal with the reality it faces, not the make a wish realities into which large parts of the west retreat every time they look at the world without looking at it . Thus here we go.. again and again.. the wheelchair war, were your retarded neighbor tries to run you over again and again no matter what you offer..

StopDisinfo910 6 hours ago | parent [-]

> Its as relevant to israel as "nazi-moonbases" are to the western world

Demonstrably false and actually discussed by the article you are commenting on.

> What Israel wants most of all is peace

Israel is currently committing a genocide. You should be ashamed of yourself for writing the comment you just wrote.