As a believer in equal protection under the law, it is never a win when a powerful company or government lobbies for a specific carve out for only it's customers or its country. Human rights like privacy don't belong to those who bought the right phone or were born on the right piece of soil.

This isn't a win, this is solidifying and reinforcing the idea that different laws should exist for different classes of people - those who can afford to make the government look the other way and those that can't.

Congratulations to Apple on lobbying for its own money. Very noble.

>it is never a win when a powerful company or government lobbies for a specific carve out for only it's customers or its country.

This wasn't an "Apple only" law -- it would have affected all platforms with data on customers that live outside the UK.

>This isn't a win, this is solidifying and reinforcing the idea that different laws should exist for different classes of people - those who can afford to make the government look the other way and those that can't.

Corporations are not people. The people can afford to vote out politicians making laws that go against the will of the people.

I agree it should be across the spectrum where people have the same rights to privacy.

> those who can afford to make the government look the other way and those that can't.

> Congratulations to Apple on lobbying for its own money. Very noble.

But what’s your implication here, that Apple shouldn’t have fought it?

Weird way to manage to do enough contortions to make this all Apple's fault.

I find the snark in your comment very weird and misplaced... Consider what the alternative is - Apple isn't allowed to talk about this, so they would have just had to silently backdoor their encryption for all their users all around the world so the UK intelligence organisations could access anyone Apple user's data...

Honestly probably nobody would have noticed that, and it would have been the path of least resistance to just comply. Some informed technical people might abandon Apple's platform, but the masses wouldn't have noticed... So how is this "Apple on lobbying for its own money"?

Honestly that last line just comes across as unhinged... Trying to read your comment in the most generous light but it's not close to reality...

>it is never a win when a powerful company or government lobbies for a specific carve out for only it's customers or its country.

I don't think that is the case here. It's a "secret order" so it's never sure, but there aren't a lot of global tech companies who will comply to give a single government their worldwide data.

This is an obvious win when fewer people are under the boot even if some people remain they're. It's not a universal win, for sure, but let not perfect be the cause to ignore the good.

Any port in a storm.

> Congratulations to Apple on lobbying for its own money. Very noble.

First they came for the Apple fanboys, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Apple fanboy.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came

If the UK had 'won' again Apple, do you not think that the Android ecosystem would be next? If the UK had 'won', do you not think that Turkey, India, China, etc, would not be lining up as well?

You have a good point. Privacy is a human right, but nobody should be able to fight for it. People or organizations trying to influence the governments that they live or operate under is wrong, as governments (all of them, globally) should simply do the right thing automatically, all the time.

Sadly every time I’ve tried to explain this to people they always say “you are bleeding a lot” and “dude you just fell down so many stairs. I have never seen anyone fall down that many stairs” or “your head sustained the entire impact of your full bodyweight when you finally reached the bottom of those stairs, how are you even standing?” so I don’t think this is a conversation a lot of people are ready to have

Unfortunately the internet is just going to be these ChatGPT comments now, isn't it.