As much as I like the idea of Obsidian, I just can't get over all the additional functionality that Notion provides due to the integrated nature of it.

In particular, I love how you select text/blocks in Notion and how every line is a "block". I really wish other editors did that as well. In fact, it's probably the main reason why I haven't moved away from Notion.

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bryanhogan 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

What do you think of Logseq or SiYuan?

Logseq[1] is also markdown based but also has a block approach.

SiYuan[2] is more similar to Notion, but self-hostable.

[1]: https://logseq.com/

[2]: https://github.com/siyuan-note/siyuan

	▲	dottjt 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		I haven't heard of those, thank you. I think my issue with the smaller players is that I've been burnt too many times where they've just stopped development or cancelled the product because it wasn't profitable. So I've generally steered away from them. On the other side of course, what happens with the big players is the enshittification of the product which I think is slowly happening to Notion, though it still ticks enough boxes that it's the preferred option.

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al_borland 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Notion always felt painfully slow and fiddly. I have convinced myself that they have manufactured their entire perceived popularity through YouTube sponsorship. It seems like there is a better tool for every job.

	▲	dottjt 3 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I agree that it's slow, but it's because of the amount of functionality it provides. If you just want to take plain notes, then yeah. Notion isn't what you want. However if you want sprawling databases that all inter-connected, amongst a variety of different formats, then Notion is amazing for that.
	▲	blitzar 3 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Without Notion the Notion influencers would be unable to organise their very busy influencing schedules.

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shminge 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That seems such a minor gain to me. Are you not concerned about notion a) being online only and b) not letting you be in control of your data?

I'm a strong proponent of File over App: who knows how long Obsidian or notion will exist - at least I know I can work with my Obsidian notes as long as text editors exist

	▲	dottjt 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		I am concerned about those things, but what I've personally realised is that it's more important to use a tool that you really enjoy using + provides the functionality you want, as opposed to a tool you hate using and doesn't resonate with you. I hate making notes in plain text. It's too inconvenient, not to mention doesn't provide me with the functionality I want. On the other hand, I love organising things into databases i.e. Notion. So either I don't take notes (net negative) or I take notes (net positive).

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bachmeier 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

IMO they're for completely different customers. Obsidian constrains itself to working on local text files that you can sync yourself. Notion is just another complex website where you turn over all your data and they sell you AI services.

	▲	dottjt 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		The complexity is what makes it valuable to some people. Put simply, it does more than Obsidian. Do you need that complexity? That's a personal question.