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DiscourseFan 5 days ago

The major shift for me is now its normal to take Waymos. Yeah, there aren't as fast as Uber if you have to get across town, but for trips less than 10 miles they're my go to now.

schneems 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

Ive never taken one. They seem nice though.

On the other hand, the Tesla “robotaxi” scares the crap out of me. No lidar and seems to drive more aggressively. The Mark Rober YouTube of a Tesla plowing into a road-runner style fake tunnel is equal parts hilarious and nightmare fuel when you realize that’s what’s next to your kid biking down the street.

bscphil 5 days ago | parent [-]

> Mark Rober YouTube of a Tesla plowing into a road-runner style fake tunnel

I understand the argument for augmenting your self-driving systems with LIDAR. What I don't really understand is what videos like this tell us. The comparison case for a "road-runner style fake tunnel" isn't LIDAR, it's humans, right? And while I'm sure there are cases where a human driver would spot the fake tunnel and stop in time, that is not at all a reasonable assumption. The question isn't "can a Tesla save your life when someone booby traps a road?", it's "is a Tesla any worse than you at spotting booby trapped roads?", and moreover, "how does a Tesla perform on the 99.999999% of roads that aren't booby trapped?"

tfourb 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

Tesla‘s insistence on not using Lidar while other companies deem it necessary for save auto-pilot creates the need for Tesla to demonstrate that their approach is equally as save for both drivers and ie pedestrians. They haven’t done that, arguably the data shows the contrary. This generates the impression that Tesla skimps on security and if they skimp in one area, they’ll likely skimp in others. Stuff like the Rober video strengthens these impressions. It’s a public perception issue and Tesla has done nothing (and maybe isn’t able to do anything) to dispel this notion.

schneems 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> What I don't really understand is what videos like this tell us.

A lot of people here might intuitively understand “does not have lidar” means “can be deceived with a visual illusion.” The value of a video like that is to paint a picture for people who don’t intuitively understand it. And for everyone, there’s an emotional reaction seeing it plow through a giant wall that resonates in ways an intellectual understanding might not.

Great communication speaks to both our “fast” and “slow” brains. His video did a great job IMHO.

ekunazanu 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> Is a Tesla any worse than you at spotting booby trapped roads

That would've been been the case if all laws, opinions and purchasing decisions were made by everyone acting rationally. Even if self driving cars are safer than human drivers, it just takes a few crashes to damage their reputation. It has to be much, much safer than humans for mass adoption. Ideally also safer than the competition, if you're comparing specific companies.

DiscourseFan 4 days ago | parent [-]

And Waymo is much safer than human drivers. Its better at chauffeuring than humans, too.

ziofill 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I’m curious, are they now fully autonomous? I remember some time ago they had a remote operator.

Animats 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

Waymo has a control center, but it's customer service, not remote driving. They can look at the sensor data, give hints to the car ("back out, turn around, try another route") and talk to the customer, but can't take direct control and drive remotely.

Baidu's system in China really does have remote drivers.[1]

Tesla also appears to have remote drivers, in addition to someone in each car with an emergency stop button.[2]

[1] https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2025/05/comparing-robotax...

[2] https://insideevs.com/news/760863/tesla-hiring-humans-to-con...

neom 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Good account to follow to track their progress, sufficed to say they're nearing/at the end of the beginning: https://x.com/reed // https://x.com/daylenyang/status/1953853807227523178