| ▲ | nlawalker 6 days ago |
| > "Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem" Maybe so, but if media companies invested in fixing the service problems, the pricing problems would remain, and those keep people away just as effectively, so they're not going to do it. People don't want to pay what the media companies want to charge, at any level of service. |
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| ▲ | the_af 5 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| This is absolutely not true. I pay an ungodly combined amount of money to various streaming services, but must still occasionally resort to TPB. Which "just works", unlike said streaming services. Within reason, it's not a money problem (within reason; media conglomerates would love for me to sell my kidney in order to watch their premium shows, but that's not going to happen).I would rather just pay for the problem to go away, but Netflix, Disney et al just disagree. |
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| ▲ | area51org 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Not necessarily true, as the success of streaming shows. The problem comes when the unbounded greed of the billionaires in charge leads them to inflate prices beyond their customers' ability and willingness to pay. |
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| ▲ | frollogaston 5 days ago | parent [-] | | Streaming was cheaper than what existed before, and still is. Inflation-adjusted, movies and TV were insanely expensive back then, yet people willingly paid. And the movies were better. Who's greedy, companies wanting to offer nonessential entertainment for a price, or people who want it for free? | | |
| ▲ | simianparrot 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Nobody I ever talk to cancel Netflix because it’s too expensive. They cancel it because it runs out of content they care about. Including me. I’m not keeping a sub for that one week a year I find something I enjoy. It’s absolutely a service problem. | | |
| ▲ | padjo 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | What you described is the same as cancelling because it’s too expensive, you’re just describing the value side of the equation. | | |
| ▲ | simianparrot 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeah, it's too expensive because the _service_ is too poor. If the service was good, it would be a fair price. | | |
| ▲ | nlawalker 5 days ago | parent [-] | | … if it was offered for the same price as the current service. | | |
| ▲ | simianparrot 5 days ago | parent [-] | | No? I would be willing to pay more if it actually had things I wanted to watch. Right now it's technically cheap enough where it's not painful when it lapses for months where I don't use it, but it's still a waste of money so I finally cancelled it about half a year ago. I'd be willing to pay a lot more if it had and retained a sizeable library. But it keeps rotating in nuggets of gold with a deluge of cheap trash. At least in Norway, I am aware it varies wildly by region. Not my problem as the customer, that's theirs to solve. |
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| ▲ | the_af 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's one way of framing it (pro provider). A pro consumer way of framing it is that it's a service problem. Since I'm a consumer, not a provider, I side with consumers. Streaming sucks today -- I should know, I'm subscribed to most platforms. | | |
| ▲ | padjo 5 days ago | parent [-] | | Really voting with your wallet there. Anyway I’m not taking platforms side just stating that “I don’t get enough value” and “it is too expensive” are the same thing. | | |
| ▲ | the_af 5 days ago | parent [-] | | > Really voting with your wallet there. Sadly, you're right. But it's a Catch-22 here, if I pirated everything people would accuse me of being part of the problem, etc. I enjoy the moral high ground of paying for everything yet still supporting piracy (with caveats, and not for everything): it makes my position unassailable. And I disagree with your last statement, as I said it's a framing issue and framing matters. I'm pro consumer, and therefore, it's not the same thing . |
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| ▲ | thiht 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's both. I canceled when they increased their pricing again (a few months ago), because there's no way I'll pay more when neither the service nor the catalog gets better. I would have kept my subscription if they hadn't increased the price, regardless of any changes to the catalog. | |
| ▲ | HDThoreaun 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Nobody I ever talk to cancel Netflix because it’s too expensive. Frankly this says a lot about you and not much about everyone else |
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| ▲ | the_af 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Most people do not want it for free. It's just that they are fed up with streaming platforms fragmentation and anticonsumer practices. |
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