| ▲ | crooked-v 6 days ago |
| To really sum it all up in one place, check out the absurdity of the official guide on where to watch the Pokemon cartoon: https://www.pokemon.com/us/animation/where-to-watch-pokemon-... And that doesn't even actually list the movies, which are even more fragmented. |
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| ▲ | sunrunner 6 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| And I thought the problem was (just) limited to fragmentation of complete IPs between services. I'd love for someone in the know to explain how you get to this stage. It it some kind of hedging strategy by The Pokémon Company to account for the number of different streaming services (thereby actually making the problem worse)? Was there some kind of timed exclusivity deal that's forced them to put different things in different places? Did one of the streaming services come along at a later time to try to undercut the earlier ones but the earlier licencing deals haven't expired? Anything else? |
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| ▲ | LikesPwsh 5 days ago | parent [-] | | Another possibility is that every streaming service wants "Pokémon" and parents don't care which season. So each service buys a single season to tick that box. | | |
| ▲ | test6554 4 days ago | parent [-] | | This. Pokemon likely has an a la carte menu and platforms can choose which seasons they want. Streaming services have a limited budget for kids content so they can’t catch em all without sacrificing other kids content. They need pokemon they need action they meed rainbows and princesses and they needs stuff for babies and toddlers. |
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| ▲ | thaumasiotes 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| For reference: Season 1: Amazon Prime Video (also, Netflix) Season 2: Amazon Prime Video Channels 3-5: Prime Video 6-13: Prime Video Channels (with 10-13 also available on the Roku Channel) 14-19: Prime Video (with 17-19 also on Netflix) 20-22: Prime Video Channels (and Hulu, and the Roku Channel) 23-25: Prime Video (and Netflix) So, they're all on Amazon in some sense. I was aware that there was some kind of concept of Prime Video Channels, but when I tried to find an explanation on Amazon's website, I failed. |
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| ▲ | thaumasiotes 5 days ago | parent [-] | | Following up, "Prime Video Channels" seem to be an Amazon offering in which you have your subscription to a separate video service (the "Channel") billed through Amazon, for "convenience". (And you can also watch their stuff on Amazon's website.) So Pokemon has licensed about half of their series to Amazon, and they reserve the remaining half for people who subscribe to the Pokemon Channel. |
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| ▲ | barbazoo 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| And it doesn't even reflect availability outside the US it seems as my Netflix catalog does't have some of the seasons that list says it should. |
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| ▲ | kmac_ 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Well, "Gotta Subscribe 'Em All!" |
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| ▲ | godzillabrennus 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Wow. It's like an advertisement for torrent sites... I had no idea it was that bad out there... |
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| ▲ | 0cf8612b2e1e 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I have seen this before, but I never realized that was an official product! Thought that started as a joke by a disgruntled fan. |
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| ▲ | aucisson_masque 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Holy mother of God, that’s insanity. How could someone come up with that and get it approved is beyond human understanding. |
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| ▲ | devjab 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I wonder if they will eventually go the LEGO route and host their shows on youtube while also letting streaming services have them. |
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| ▲ | seatac76 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Thanks for sharing OP, that is just ridiculous, makes cable looks like a sane option. |
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| ▲ | 6thbit 6 days ago | parent [-] | | With cable you didn’t get this fragmentation cause you also didn’t get many options. Watch at 8am or at 6pm, whatever episode airs that day, probably a rerun or a skipped. | | |
| ▲ | frollogaston 5 days ago | parent [-] | | Different cable providers each had their own bundles and individual paid channels, so you kinda got a choice, with a lot of fragmentation. | | |
| ▲ | 6thbit 5 days ago | parent [-] | | I mean you didn't get to watch as many Pokemon show options as those linked in the parent comment, you got choices for channels as you said, but not seasons/shows. |
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| ▲ | charcircuit 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >More fragmented
Prime Video has it all which doesn't sound fragmented to me. It seems Prime Video is for old seasons and other services are fine for watching the current iteration of the show. |
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| ▲ | SllX 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The problem with Pokémon isn’t that it’s fragmented across streaming services, it’s the anime itself where by Advanced you’re getting enough of the same formulaic bullshit it can drive even a kid crazy. I was that kid. Except for some slight deviations, such as the beginning of Best Wishes (Black & White), you can put on a sequence of any 10 episodes from any season and it doesn’t matter what streaming service it’s on. By the end of the episode, Team Rocket is blasting off again. |
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| ▲ | mystifyingpoi 5 days ago | parent [-] | | > of the same formulaic bullshit Sounds like every single mainline game until SV/PLA which tried the open world a bit. People still like it. | | |
| ▲ | SllX 5 days ago | parent [-] | | The games actually change though in a way the anime never really did no matter how many characters or Pokémon they cycled through. |
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| ▲ | mxfh 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| What's the problem with that exactly?
Legacy catalogs having some incomplete coverage?
That the Pokemon Company can't make a good list if pressed?
These are all not new or streaming Problems The gist is here, that the complete first four season are on YouTube for free and the 5th is being added as we speak? (200+ episodes) https://www.youtube.com/@OfficialPoke%CC%81monTV/playlists There was nether the expectation with streaming that third party content doesn't rotate. If you want a bit more persistent access you can buy them on
Apple TV (Season 1-5 and 10-25) Oh Boy, Pokemon is really not the example I would bring up here, when the aim is completeness on official channels: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_episodes_removed_... |
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| ▲ | Gud 6 days ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s pretty obvious that no one wants to subscribe and look for some content on 5 different platforms. While the pirate goes to his or her favourite torrent site and downloads it all, with the added bonus of having offline, permanent access. | | | |
| ▲ | gjvc 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | with a sample size of one, there is no obvious problem. presumably any given household wants to watch more than just pokemon, though and this is where things become unstuck. suddenly, to satisfy the demand for the range of things people in the household want to watch they are forced to make subscriptions to multiple services, perhaps sometimes for one-offs. scale this up, and you have a population forced to make multiple subscriptions to multiple streaming providers to satisfy their demand for content. or people just choose a couple of them and that's that. either way it seems that there is a symbiotic relationship between the content authors and the streaming companies. but wait, read the page carefully, multiple seasons of the same thing spread across different streamers forcing consumers to subscribe to multiple streamers .... and now we are into Phoebus cartel territory. | | |
| ▲ | mxfh 6 days ago | parent [-] | | That's not how streaming worked, ever.
You had to deal with what Netflix had to offer and that was it. These were the happy monopoly days.
It was simply the lack of choice and nobody felt left out at watercooler talks. The paradox now, is that if you're FOMO inclined you feel the need to subscribe to multiple ones at all times to satify all needs in a household. You don't have to. You can keep baseline Disney if you really have to, but everything else can be easily rotated or just cought up on for a month or three on the usual discounted offers. The social pressure was not some invention of the streaming companies. Also pirating has a hardware and energy cost, that's not trivial and mostly subsidized by parents.
On a ROI basis of adults with disposable income "buying" (aka personal licenses, ideally shareable with some other accounts what some might call a family) 4-5 movies for like 5 dollars on platforms like Apple TV each a month is actually cheaper than pirating. Streaming is not everything. And don`t kid yourself that your DVD or Bluray collection is worth something or usable in 20+ years. That's a niche hobby. Go visit a flea market. People are that lazy when it comes to couch and home entertainment stuff. | | |
| ▲ | wiredpancake 6 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Now you are delving into small intricacies and "gotchas" which are just meaningless. The problem is simple. People don't want to switch between 10 different streaming services, pay 10x a month, swap every second month, unsubscribe from X and re-subscribe to Y after going through a torturous process of unsubscribing. Different sites with different DRM, some might block Firefox, some might not work on an older MiniPC, some might not work or exist on the built in apps on my TV. We as consumers shouldn't have to go through all these hoops just to watch stuff. Originally, I would buy a DVD (or even rent it) and then plop the DVD in the DVD player and it would work. It would work 10 years from now (assuming no disc-rot). It would work on my PC's DVD player, it would work on my TV. It wouldn't tell me my OS is out of date or that my internet connection is unstable. I could then go give you the DVD and you could watch it. It was simple. For the sake of your argument, even if piracy was 100x harder and 10x more expensive than Subscriptions services (which its not), watching the entire series of Pokemon is still a pain and is still stupid and deserves to be called out for it. | | | |
| ▲ | crote 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > On a ROI basis of adults with disposable income "buying" (aka personal licenses, ideally shareable with some other accounts what some might call a family) 4-5 movies for like 5 dollars on platforms like Apple TV each a month is actually cheaper than pirating. Yes, and I still pirate. It's more expensive, but the user experience is substantially better. It has always been a supply issue, | |
| ▲ | thaumasiotes 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You think pirating videos will raise your electric bill by $25 / month? | | |
| ▲ | mxfh 6 days ago | parent [-] | | Storage isn't free.
running a 50 Watt anything 24/7 costs like 10 Dollars a month in Europe already if you don't want to be an anti-social leacher or want the convenience of an netflix-like media server. | | |
| ▲ | mystifyingpoi 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I never understood (even in homelab circles) why people insist on running these toys 24/7. Just turn it off for the night, or use one of these timer sockets. | |
| ▲ | thaumasiotes 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Your comment is a bizarre tangle of different concerns, of which none make even a tiny amount of sense. - If you download without uploading much, what does that have to do with the costs of piracy? - If you upload as well as download, how will that increase the amount you pay for 50 watts of electricity? - In what possible sense is storage not free? You already have the storage. Putting things on it is free, unless you get to the point where you need to buy additional storage. You don't need to retain the things you pirate any more than you need to retain the things you stream. -- Even if you decide to do that, storage is an utterly trivial cost. - Stipulating that 50 watts a month costs $10, your network stack draws less than 25 watts. Given that storage will never add up to any amount you'd notice, it will take less than one month before piracy blows rental out of the water on costs, after which its lead will increase forever. | | |
| ▲ | Dylan16807 6 days ago | parent [-] | | They're saying if you keep things on to seed it'll use more electricity. But yes you can fit a torrenting machine into 25 watts. Or fit a reasonable amount of uploading into the time your computer is already on. And yes storage is somewhere between free and $30. | | |
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| ▲ | gjvc 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | read the page carefully |
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