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FirmwareBurner 2 days ago

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kubb 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Funny, but this kinda implies that some person designed this way. It's a resultant sum of small vectors, with corporate lobbying playing a significant role. Corporate lobbying systemically can't do anything else than try to increase profits, which usually means less regulation. Clean slate design would require a system collapse.

graemep 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Corporate lobbying systemically can't do anything else than try to increase profits, which usually means less regulation.

Corporate lobbying can be for more regulation. It can disadvantage competitors. Zuckerberg has spoken in favour of greater regulation of social media in the past. The UK's Online Safety Act creates barriers to entry and provides and excuse for more tracking. I can think of examples, some acknowledged by the CEOs of the companies involved, ranging from British pubs to American investment banks.

exe34 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Funny, but this kinda implies that some person designed this way

How do you get to that implication? I'm missing a step or two I think...

kubb 2 days ago | parent [-]

From "do you want X? this is how you get X". This invokes an image of talking to a person who decided the how, because they can be questioned on whether they want the X.

moolcool 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

When Facebook releases an AI Model for free: "Based Facebook. Zuckerberg is a genius visionary"

When Facebook does something unforgivable: "It's a systemic problem. Zuck is just a smol bean"

kubb 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Zuck can take his model onto his private island and talk to it instead of trying to be a normal human being.

Don't conflate me with the personality worshippers on HN, I'm not one of them, even though it seems like it to you because I also post here. You won't find a single instance of me glazing tech leaders.

FirmwareBurner 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

What's with this reductionist logic? Nothing is ever 100% good or 100% evil, everything is on a spectrum.

So just because Zuck does some good stuff for the tech world, doesn't mean he's work isn't a net negative to society.

moolcool 2 days ago | parent [-]

> doesn't mean he's work isn't a net negative to society

Oh he absolutely is.

I'm just saying that it's common in this community to attribute the achievements of big companies to leadership (E.g. the mythology of Steve Jobs), but dismiss all the evil stuff to "systemic issues".

lazide 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I once ran across Zuckerberg in a Palo Alto cafe. I only noticed him (I was in the process of ordering a sandwich, and don’t really care about shit like that) because he was being ‘eeeeeeee’d’ by a couple of random women that he didn’t seem to know. He seemed pretty uncomfortable about the whole thing. One of them had a stroller which she was profoundly ignoring during the whole thing, which I found a bit disturbing.

The next time I saw him in Palo Alto (a couple months later on the street), he had 2 totally-not-security-dudes flanking him, and I saw at least one random passerby ‘redirected’ away from him. This wasn’t at the cafe though, it wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t go there again.

This was a decade before Luigi. Luigi was well after meta was in the news for spending massive amounts of money on security and Zuck had a lot of controversy for his ‘compound’ in PA.

I can assure you, Meta is well aware of the situation, and a Luigi isn’t going to have a chance in this situation.

The reality in my experience that is any random person given the amount of wealth these folks end up with would end up making similar (or worse) decisions, and while contra-pressure from Luigi’s is important in the overall system, folks like Zuckerberg are more a result of the system and rules than the cause of them (but then influence the next system/rules in a giant Oroborous type situation).

Kind of a we either die young a hero, or live to be the villain kind of thing. But because the only reason anyone dies a young hero is because they lost the fight against the prior old villains. If they’d won (even in a heroic fashion), life would turn them into the old villains shortly.

The wheel turns.

FirmwareBurner 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

> he was being ‘eeeeeeee’d’ by a couple of random women

Maybe I'm too old, but what in the world does being eeee'd mean?

>I can assure you, Meta is well aware of the situation, and a Luigi isn’t going to have a chance in this situation.

With all due respect, Luigi was just a CS student with a six pack, a self made gun, and a aching back on a mission.

The Donald himself nearly got got by his ear while he had the secret service of the US of A to protect him, not some private goons for hire, and that was just a random redditor with a rifle, not a professional assassin.

So what would happen if let's say meta's algorithms push a teenage girl to kill herself by exploiting her self esteem issues to sell her more beauty products, and her ex-navy seal dad with nothing more to loose grabs his McMillan TAC-338 boom stick and makes his life mission to avenge his lost daughter at the expense of his own? Zuck would need to be lucky every time, but that bad actor would need to be lucky once.

I'm not advocating for violence btw, my comment was purely hypothetical.

potato3732842 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Pretty much anyone without presidential quality security clearing the place ahead of them stands to get clapped Franz Ferdinand style by anyone dedicated enough to camp out waiting.

lazide 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And yet, Mr. Trump is up there trolling the world like he loves to do, and Zuck is out there doing whatever he wants.

The reality is, all those ex-navy seal Dad’s are (generally) wishing they could make the cut to get on those dudes payroll, not gunning for them. Or sucking up to the cult, in general.

The actual religious idea of Karma is not ‘bad things happen to bad people right now’, the way we would like.

Rather ‘don’t hate on king/priest/rich dude, they did something amazing in a prior life which is why they deserve all this wealth right now, and if they do bad things, they’ll go down a notch - maybe middle class - in the next life’.

It’s to justify why people end up suffering for no apparent reason in this life (because they had to have done something really terrible in a prior life), while encouraging them to do good things still for a hopefully better next life (if you think unclogging Indian sewers in this life is bad, you could get reincarnated as a roach in that sewer in the next life!). So they don’t go out murdering everyone they see, even if they get shit on constantly.

There is no magic bullet. Hoping someone else is going to solve all your problems is exactly how manipulative folks use you for their own purposes. And being a martyr to go after some asshole is being used that way too.

This is also why eventually an entire generation of hippies turned into accountants in the 80’s.

shrug

s5300 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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hobs 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's not the only way. The oppressed do not need to become the oppressor, its just the simplest rut for the wheel to turn in.

lazide 2 days ago | parent [-]

Sure, they can stay the oppressed?

Using the entropic model you seem to indicate (which I also favor), us vs them seems to be the lowest energy state.

It’s certainly possible to not be there at any given time, but seems to require a specific and somewhat unique set of circumstances, which are not the most energetically stable.

mschuster91 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I only noticed him (I was in the process of ordering a sandwich) because he was being ‘eeeeeeee’d’ by a couple of random women that he didn’t seem to know. He seemed pretty uncomfortable about the whole thing.

Pretty funny considering that Facebook's origin story was a women comparison site, or this memorable quote:

> People just submitted it. I don't know why. They 'trust me'. Dumb fucks.

lazide 2 days ago | parent [-]

Have you ever ordered a really good steak, like amazing. And really huge, and inexpensive too.

And it really is amazing! And super tasty.

But it’s so big, and juicy, that by the end of it you feel sick? But you can’t stop yourself?

And then at the end of it, you’re like - damn. Okay. No more steak for awhile?

If not steak, then substitute cake. Or Whiskey.

Just because you got what you wanted doesn’t mean you’re happy with all the consequences, or can stomach an infinitely increasing quantity of it.

Of course, he can pay to mitigate most of them, and he gets all the largest steaks he could want now, so whatever. I’m not going to cry about it. I thought it was interesting to see develop however.

mschuster91 2 days ago | parent [-]

Personally, I see it as poetic justice. He started off on objectifying women with FaceMash, he doesn't get to cry about being objectified and drooled over himself.

lightedman 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

"I can assure you, Meta is well aware of the situation, and a Luigi isn’t going to have a chance in this situation."

Luigi was a dude with a 3D printed gun.

I have LASERs with enough power to self-focus, have zero ballistic drop, and can dump as much power as a .50cal BMG in a millisecond burst of light which can hit you from the horizon's edge. All Zuck needs to do is stand by a window, and eyeballs would vaporize.

landl0rd 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Mangione is going to either die rotting in prison, or preferably get sent to the electric chair. His life will be wasted. Meanwhile, UNH is continuing to do business as usual. One way or the other, mangione will die knowing his life was wasted, and that his legacy is not reform but cold-blooded murder.

Call it a “day of rage” or just babyrage but we build systems so our bus factor can increase above 1. Just killing people no longer breaks them. It makes someone nothing more than a juvenile murderer.

I don’t really care what lasers you have, I’d suggest you choose a different legacy for yourself.

s5300 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

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FirmwareBurner 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

>His life will be wasted.

His life was already wasted due to his medical condition. Don't ever bet aginst people with nothing to loose.

fHr 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

FBI open up

j33zusjuice 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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