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| ▲ | reorder9695 6 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| I also actually _like_ having a physical card that I can use with NFC so that I'm not fecked if my phone dies/breaks or anything. Physical cards to me are a feature. |
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| ▲ | ghaff 6 days ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, it's not like I carry a stuffed wallet any longer, but I do have a small front pocket wallet with a handful of cards. It's actually easier for me to pay with a card (and increasingly mostly just tap it) than to pull my phone out and do whatever with it. |
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| ▲ | kevincox 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yeah, as someone who just took a trip in China where QR payments are the most popular form it was clearly inferior from a UX standpoint from NFC. The most notable was a data connection. Cell service was pretty good overall but there were a few cases where we were struggling to get the payment through. Some merchants also have the ability to scan your code (which seems to be generated offline) but that leads to this confusing UX where you never know if you will scan (and should have the scanner mode ready) or be scanned (and have the QR code open). And there was always the fear that your phone dies and you can't take the subway or purchase everything. It doesn't happen often but on some long days you really don't really want to be tracking the battery of your phone super closely. NFC payments can work offline (although this is pretty rare) and can be authorized from a small plastic card that has no battery, no internet connection and is pretty robust including being completely waterproof. Plus 100% of the time I tap my card or phone on the merchant's terminal. No alternate UX option. Plus if you are using your phone for payments (which is a very convenient option) you don't need to open any app beforehand (WeChat is like 3 taps to get to scanner or code) and I found quick NFC reading to be more reliable than scanning a QR code where the lighting conditions and state of the QR code are not always perfect (it was almost always possible to get it to work within a handful of seconds, but often took a bit of fiddling around. NFC is reliably just tap and it works). I still keep a few large bills in my wallet in case the card networks are down, flag my transactions or whatever else. But having this immutable payment card that is incredibly reliable and easy to use is way better than the phone-based QR systems I have seen. What I would love to see if we bring phones into the system is a way of approving the transaction (including the amount) on your device. So for example 1. Tap phone 2. Review amount on screen and approve 3. Tap to commit payment. This is more steps but is far safer. That being said the number of times this has been an issue for me is 0, so it is probably better to just rely on the banking system to correct any mistakes rather than add extra steps to the payment flow. |
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| ▲ | wat10000 6 days ago | parent [-] | | The experience in China is weird. My first reaction was, wow, this is so futuristic, everybody takes payment by code. Then after a while I’m thinking, hold on, this kind of sucks. China’s implementation could be done a lot better. There’s no fundamental need for multiple incompatible systems like they have. But even improved, it wouldn’t be as good as NFC. |
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| ▲ | lan321 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I couldn't get a wallet app to work with GrapheneOS, so for me, QR codes are better, but they feel like they have different use cases. I like QR codes in mail invoices (very common in CH), I'd like NFC in a shop if I could use it. |
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| ▲ | gunalx 6 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Im im the same boat. Luckily in ny case a local banking app has their own NFC card Funktion witch works flawlessly. But no tap to pay would for me have been one of the greatest downsides with graphene os. | | | |
| ▲ | kevincox 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is a policy problem not a technology problem. If QR code solutions mandated the same policy they would have the same limitation. | | |
| ▲ | lan321 6 days ago | parent [-] | | That was my disclaimer, but I do prefer, regardless of what works on GrapheneOS, having a QR in my invoice letters. You could shine a light on the envelope and likely read it without opening, but having anyone be able to touch their phone to the envelope to see I owe Y$ to X sounds worse. It's also nice in email since there's less to copy over, and my PC doesn't have NFC. I'd only prefer to have NFC over QR for in-store payment, and I transact way less money per month in-store. |
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| ▲ | Y_Y 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | You can also use NFC to just get a link, which is what you're doing with QR anyway. |
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| ▲ | maxglute 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| QR code is more alternative to cash. Anyone can setup QR payment vs getting NFC POS terminal. IMO when you can reasonably expect day to day to be completely cashless down to smallest of merchant, it's more convenient compromise vs NFC + cash. |
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| ▲ | wat10000 4 days ago | parent [-] | | That’s unrelated to the actual communication technology. You can have QR code systems that don’t allow everyone to take payments. You can take NFC payments with a newer smartphone these days. |
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| ▲ | 2Gkashmiri 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| You haven't experienced UPI. Its a breeze. Everything works with everything else. |
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