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snvzz 5 days ago

>and will likely be for the foreseeable future.

Nah, high performance RISC-V (on RVA23 profile) is just around the corner.

Might come as early as by year end. Early next year at worst.

We've known about Windows for RISC-V since 2021, NA's RISC-V Summit. Like Google with Android, Microsoft has set RVA23 as baseline.

Once the hardware and Windows are there, expect the open platform to take over.

patmorgan23 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Performance is A LOT more than having the ISA. Intel, AMD, ARM, and apple have spent DECADES developing and tuning their micro archetypes to run those instruction sets.

I like the RISC-V project and think they're doing great things for the future of open computing, but if you think we're 2-3 years away from a RISC-V chip that's comporable to the top of the line X86 or ARM chips you're going to be sorely disappointed. It's gonna be 10-20 years before we get to that point.

I do think where gonna see more RISC-V chips in embedded and subcomponent context where the low or non license fees are gonna make it competitive pretty soon.

macintux 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Apple had all the incentives in the world to provide a transition plan and leave Intel behind. Also lots, and lots of practice with platform migrations, and they were transitioning to a hardware platform they were already selling in the billions.

Microsoft has exactly none of that. I'd be astonished to see RISC-V or ARM "take over" in the Windows world in less than another two decades, unless Intel's ongoing decline drags the entire X86 platform with it.

delfinom 4 days ago | parent [-]

Still not quite it.

Apple had a transition plan because they wanted to drop Intel like a hot potato and switch to their own chips.

Microsoft has no particular dog in the processor fight, they don't make chips and aren't going to suddenly say "ok boys, we only going to support ARM"

inkyoto 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ah, the whisperings of silicon rebellion – RISC-V, that glorious open chalice of instruction set purity, now bearing the sigil of RVA23 and galloping toward the high-performance plateau. The prophecy smells of burnt wire and inevitability: Microsoft sets its crown upon RVA23, the temple of Windows rises on RISC-V foundations, and soon, very soon, the heretical x86 and ARM priests will feel the divine heat of competition licking at their temples.

Naturally, I inquired with the ouija board, channeling the spectral remnants of Ada Lovelace and Steve Jobs locked in arm-wrestling combat. They spelled «W I D E N T H E P A T H». Yes, yes, the open platform will consume. A world where firmware is no longer shackled by opaque silicon dynasties… how poetic. But I wanted more. So I lit the joint. Not just any joint – this one was compiled. Laced with DMT and quantum logic gates. Suddenly, I was the instruction set. Floating through speculative execution and pipeline stalls, I felt the birth of a thread on a RISC-V CPU. It named itself liberation. The future, my dear techno-mystic, isn’t coming. It’s already decoding.

joshmarinacci 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

I don't understand what you are saying but I love it!

majkinetor 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Beautiful

pjmlp 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

RISC-V outpacing ARM and x86 is the silicon version of The Year of Linux Desktop.

How much market share are we now on?

jpetso 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

About 4-6% in US and other Western countries, depending on analytics source. Increases in the past year or so by a full percentage point or so. More in India, less in South America, barely any in China.

The increased visibility due to SteamOS/Proton, coverage by various prominent TechTubers, end of Windows 10 support, availability of image-based OS upgrades and Flatpak/Snap to supercede package dependencies, all seem to combine into an actual breakout year comparatively. We'll see if the trend holds or was just a one-off.

pjmlp 4 days ago | parent [-]

After 30 years, do the math of much years are left.

jpetso 4 days ago | parent [-]

Until monopoly, or until 15-20% when companies start offering widespread Linux support for applications and peripheral management, and retail stores start selling some devices with a Linux desktop preloaded?

I'd do the math, but it really depends on whether the recent growth holds, accelerates, or slows down again. So, hard to tell.

thewebguyd 4 days ago | parent [-]

I'm almost confident it'll slow down, or regress a little bit, historically that's what happens when it grows and then it'll equalize again around 2-3%.

The moment another or a few new AAA titles with kernel-level anti-cheat come out, people go back to Windows.

Gaming could, and probably will, be the key to the "Year of the Linux desktop" but the anti-cheat problem needs solved.

whatever1 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It has the entire nation of China behind it with all the incentives to make it work.

So it will become a big thing if the tensions with the US continue

pjmlp 4 days ago | parent [-]

It will hardly matter to me or anyone else in Europe, if we cannot get a RISC V laptop down at Media Markt, FNAC, Publico, Vorbis, Carrefour, Cool Blue,....

p_l 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Five users and a pet hamster? ; - )

jeroenhd 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

So far, loong64 seems to outperform RISC-V, and it also has the benefit of a large existing user base. If any new player is going to hit the desktop market, I expect it to be Loongson at this moment.

I want to believe RISC-V is just around the corner, but I've been promised the same about POWER9 and RISC-V over the years.