| ▲ | AnotherGoodName 6 days ago |
| Yes but it’s much broader. Just in general the lack of Steve Jobs noticing these glaring issues and coming down hard to solve them is pretty clear. I remember when macbooks briefly came out with a ridiculously bright standby led that required
Black electrical tape over if you wanted to sleep with it in the house. Shortly after no more status leds on any MacBook (thank you!). Nowadays i find non stop little annoyances with threads from others on the same issues on Apple devices. From.the.overly.prominent.full.stop when searching textually in the url bar to the crappy spell check and crappy spam filtering. As much as Jobs apparently came across as an asshole there’s a need for someone at the top to say ‘WTF is this, fix it or get fired!’. |
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| ▲ | gitpusher 6 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| I worked at Apple and heard a lot of Steve stories. He really did personally approve everything. He would be sitting in a room, and team leads would all line up to give their quick 2-minute update. So it's the MacBook Air guy's turn. He comes in and places his prototype down in front of Steve. Steve opens the lid. Two seconds later he picks up the laptop and heaves it so hard it skipped across the table like a stone on water: "I said fxxking INSTANT ON!!" The poor guy collected his prototype and exited the room. Later the MacBook Air launched... it fxxking turned on the moment you open the lid |
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| ▲ | mathiaspoint 6 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Good product development really does seem to require some sort of leader who demands quality and smacks people when they don't deliver. Linux is nice because of Torvalds for example. | | |
| ▲ | Lio 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Completely agree. I was given a small electric fan. It’s great in that it’s portable and I can use it in some of the crummy hotels I have to stay in. Unfortunately, it has a bright blue LED on it so it’s a pain to use at night when you’re trying to sleep. It’s so bright that even covered with tape it still shines through the thin plastic of the fan body. What really gets me is why they bothered putting an operating light on it in the first place? It’s a fan. The fact that it’s working tells you it’s working. A Jobs or Torvalds type character would have pointed that out. I suspect though that it’s often a case of people noticing these type of design flaws but not having the authority to fix them while those with the authority don’t care. | | |
| ▲ | Aurornis 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I've worked in physical product development at some companies that include names you'd recognize. More often than not, those annoying features are direct requests from the person up top who smacks people. They want that feature because they think it will sell, and it's no use trying to argue with them because you'll just get smacked again. | | |
| ▲ | Lio 5 days ago | parent [-] | | Yeah I think that was one of the unusual things about Jobs; he really cared about product design for its own sake and not just for profit. I think that is pretty unusual in large companies. |
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| ▲ | netsharc 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Can't you improve this product with a screwdriver (to open it up) and wire-snipper (to cut off the LED)? | | |
| ▲ | Lio 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Oh yeah, it's definitely solvable if you can be bothered with it. It was more just the observation that an unnecessary light had been included that degrades the performance of the product. I find it intriguing how that comes to be. On paper it seems like adding the light wouldn't hurt the product even if not useful but no body actually used it it seems. | |
| ▲ | psyonity 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | There is a chance the led is also used as a important diode in the circuit, plainly removing it can greatly reduce the lifespan of the device. (more common in cheaper products) Adding a appropiate diode in it's place is advised. | | |
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| ▲ | seszett 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > I suspect though that it’s often a case of people noticing these type of design flaws but not having the authority to fix them while those with the authority don’t care. Kinda related but also not really, my own pet peeve is the pouring spout in many products, coffee machine, water jugs, buckets... they might look effective but I find that more often than not, they are curved too much and drip all over when actually pouring. And I always have to wonder, after serving coffee from one of those things, did the person who design it never even try it just once? Didn't they ever use such a thing, they never ever poured water from a pot? | |
| ▲ | dmd 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | People in stores look towards bright lights. Objects with bright lights on them sell better. | | |
| ▲ | seszett 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Do you have an actual study on this or is it just a belief held by some people who don't have any better idea to make others think they are useful? |
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| ▲ | 486sx33 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | brabel 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I have to agree with that as a lead. Most developers claim to be done with a task without taking care of the small details that users will immediately notice. It’s a constant struggle to try to get them to care about what is actually the value of the feature they are implementing, let alone chase on their own initiative the small issues unless painfully listed in some requirements document. | | |
| ▲ | polishdude20 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | As a dev Im always noticing these little problems in my designs but my boss just wants the thing done asap without worrying too much about it being nice to use. | | |
| ▲ | MortyWaves 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Same here to the point when I do leave it’s going to be one of the reasons given. One example is how this product manager type, because of company politics, isn’t really under the same department as the other software teams. Because of his very very narrow horse blinkers approach, he doesn’t see or even comprehend why we’d want to align with literally anything in any other team and that includes visual UI stuff. That’s why we have a bright neon pink “Back” button. Right in the literal center of the screen. It’s insane. | |
| ▲ | DanielHB 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | It is the bottom and the top that appreciates the quality the middle appreciate metrics and deliverables | | |
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| ▲ | ponector 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There is a special role for that: Test Engineer. However, testing is a cost center and is underfunded in most companies. | |
| ▲ | Phelinofist 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | For most things small details unfortunately do not really matter and thus are left out |
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| ▲ | valiant55 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I was just thinking about Linux/Linus the other day. How will Linux fair when Linus is no longer with us? | | |
| ▲ | jdsnape 5 days ago | parent [-] | | Fare, not fair (I’m sorry, it doesn’t matter but I couldn’t help it in a discussion on quality) | | |
| ▲ | foundart 5 days ago | parent [-] | | In comments on an article about spellchecking no less | | |
| ▲ | eru 5 days ago | parent [-] | | In this case, both fair and fare are words in English. Which shows that spell checking needs to know a lot about grammar and context to work in general. Basically you need an LLM. Or if not a 'large language model', perhaps at least a small language model. | | |
| ▲ | jdsnape 5 days ago | parent [-] | | I wonder how it does work, I remember MS Word having a fairly decent grammar checker when I was using it in school - which predated LLMs by many years! I suspect an LLM wouldn’t be the most optimal choice | | |
| ▲ | eru 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Depends on what you mean by 'optimal'. Ie what are you optimising over? In terms of 'can I run it locally on an early 2000s machine?' LLMs are definitely the wrong choice. In terms of 'what can I quickly hack together in 2025 regardless of variable cost?' LLMs might be the right choice. > I wonder how it does work, I remember MS Word having a fairly decent grammar checker [...] You can get pretty far with some lookup tables and some heuristics. | |
| ▲ | rossant 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | farely decent? |
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| ▲ | chubot 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Latency is actually an interesting case, because it’s one of those things that, by default, nobody owns end-to-end If you’re booting a computer or building web search, every subsystem can contribute to latency. If you have more teams and more features, you’re likely to have more latency. In the early days of Google, Larry Page would push hard on this as well, in person. So Google search was fast. But later the company became larger and bureaucratized, so nobody was in charge of latency. So then each team contributes a bit to latency, and that’s what ends up shipping. Google products used to be known for being fast, but they’ve reverted to the mean | |
| ▲ | pierrefermat1 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The instant on thing actually bothered me enough to make switch from windows back to Mac( by proxy the idle battery drain on windows was also pretty terrible) | |
| ▲ | csb6 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sounds like a petulant child. Wholly unnecessary to get his point across. | | |
| ▲ | ttoinou 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Try saying the same things over and over to adults for years | | |
| ▲ | denkmoon 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Alignment of incentives. I'm sure the personal humiliation of being yelled at by Jobs was a reasonably strong incentive, but I'm certain the perception that failing to deliver would have him personally sending you to the dole queue asap was even more of a strong incentive. Compare to most corporations where the only thing you can do to get fired is fail at office politics and failure to deliver/delivering the lowest quality crap that can be passed off is just business as usual. | |
| ▲ | fusr 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | arrowsmith 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yeah, with an attitude like that it's no wonder his products were such failures. | |
| ▲ | robertlagrant 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Sounds like a petulant child. Wholly unnecessary to get his point across. See from the replies to this how well you got your point across. | |
| ▲ | eru 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yes, Steve Jobs was a jerk. Alas, human don't come fully customisable. You get to pick from the packages on offer. And it seemed like for Apple Steve Jobs' good parts only came as part of a package that also included his bad parts. | |
| ▲ | jbs789 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | To me it sounds like the symptom (emotion) of someone who deeply cares. These things need to be well-placed to be effective. Sounds like it was. | |
| ▲ | valianteffort 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] |
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| ▲ | FirmwareBurner 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >Two seconds later he picks up the laptop and heaves it so hard it skipped across the table like a stone on water: "I said fxxking INSTANT ON!!" When did the OG MacBook Air have instant on at launch in 2008? IIRC the M1 brough Instant on and Jobs wasn't around anymore. | | |
| ▲ | elzbardico 5 days ago | parent [-] | | Most macbooks I remember since a long time ago were pretty much instant on way before apple sillicon. Maybe you had some corporate crapware installed in yours/. | | |
| ▲ | pierrefermat1 5 days ago | parent [-] | | Depends on your definition of "instant". What we really mean is before you complete the action of fully opening the hinge to 120deg which is something like 1.5-2seconds? AFAIK pre M1 days it would be still a few seconds after fully opening and now it's more like < 1sec. |
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| ▲ | m4rtink 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Does not look like it was a healthy work culture. | |
| ▲ | qmr 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] |
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| ▲ | IshKebab 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I've also found a lot of this stuff is due to naysayers telling people that things can't be fixed (because really they don't want to bother). You need a strong leader to say "no it can and we will". |
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| ▲ | abullinan 6 days ago | parent | next [-] | | It takes a village. Also to be successful in tech it takes an asshole. No way around it. At some point all successful companies share an overly aggressive visionary. The entire company doesn’t need to be toxic, but the apex does. If you don’t like it, don’t climb the ladder. | | |
| ▲ | IshKebab 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't think it requires being an arsehole. Just being firm. That doesn't require arseholery. | | |
| ▲ | elzbardico 5 days ago | parent [-] | | People will call someone who doesn't bend to the status quo an asshole. | | |
| ▲ | leoc 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Both your statement and IshKebab's are true. | |
| ▲ | eru 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | No. Not necessarily. There's plenty of people described as 'quiet and polite, but firm' or some similar variations. | | |
| ▲ | qmr 5 days ago | parent [-] | | What founders / CEOs can you name described by those qualities? | | |
| ▲ | eru 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm not sure you need to restrict yourself to these. You can also look at eg political leaders. Lee Kuan Yew is one example that comes to mind immediately. Warren Buffett might be a good example from the world of business. (Your favourite search engine or chatbot is probably more than happy to give you a steady stream of other examples.) | | |
| ▲ | leoc 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't know, maybe he wouldn't raise his voice, but I can't imagine it would be fun to be a subordinate of LKY at the moment he decided you were wasting his time. | | |
| ▲ | eru 4 days ago | parent [-] | | The original comment was: > People will call someone who doesn't bend to the status quo an asshole. That's very different from not suffering time wasters. |
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| ▲ | abullinan 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Warren Buffet is a very carefully crafted “aww shucks” persona. He’s spent megabucks inventing it and keeping it safe. And I lose the argument because I cannot find the article from a decade ago that really dug into it. Either SEO has vanished it or he has it removed. | | |
| ▲ | eru 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Many personas are carefully crafted. Including some of the jerks' personas. As long as Warren Buffett keeps it up to his underlings and business partners.. |
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| ▲ | leoc 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Digital's Ken Olsen is probably one of the most relevant examples. Though it probably helped that Olsen was largely working with the grain at DEC, building digital playsets which engineers themselves loved, rather than constantly forcing them to adopt a non-technical consumer's perspective. | |
| ▲ | socalgal2 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] |
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| ▲ | sixo 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Skill issue. There are other ways to get those results, but being an asshole is the lowest-hanging, and is nearly free if the people around you don't have the self-respect to walk away. | | |
| ▲ | abullinan 4 days ago | parent [-] | | I disagree. Point to a centibillion+ company that isn’t fronted by a toxic asshole. |
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| ▲ | ttoinou 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Surely there must be some counter examples. Collison brothers at Stripe ? | | |
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| ▲ | ww520 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Or the incentive aligned. | | | |
| ▲ | paradox460 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Not just that, but the strong leader needs to ensure that it can be fixed. Yelling at a rank-and-file to unfuck some random system, then not giving them any time, resources, or tools to fix it is just being a dictatorial dickhead. |
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| ▲ | zimpenfish 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > From.the.overly.prominent.full.stop when searching textually in the url bar One of the most aggravating things in iOS. Trips me up almost every day (and it's been there for what? 10 years now?) |
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| ▲ | AnotherGoodName 6 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Wait until you realize that the icon of the period and spacebar don't at all line up to the touch area due to touch gravitation. You can tap slightly more on the spacebar side and still end up with a period. https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/1ekszul/comment/lgn... So if you suffer from this it's not even your fault. You're literally hitting the spacebar but some incentive at Apple in their org structure has led to the period literally having waaaay too much weighting and the lack of exec oversight at Apple in the post Jobs days is leading to us all.typing.periods.whenever.we.just.wanted.to.search. | | |
| ▲ | elzbardico 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | This.is.incredibly.annoying. But.you.took.a.weight.from.my.shoulders.
I always.thought. I was an incompetent who couldn't hit the spacebar correctly. | |
| ▲ | doubled112 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | All this time (literal years) I thought I.was.losing it. | | |
| ▲ | kelipso 5 days ago | parent [-] | | Lol, the amount of time I spent backspacing to retype without the period. Probably my main annoyance in ios. |
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| ▲ | chamomeal 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Holy shit my phone has been gaslighting me this whole time??? |
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| ▲ | egypturnash 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | rightnnextntonthenspuriousnninsteadnofnanspace |
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| ▲ | mrweasel 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's hard to pinpoint exactly what it is, but yes, there seems to be an increasing number of small issue with Apple devices. They aren't major stuff simply not work, but yes, spam filter being pretty terrible, text overlapping on non flagship phones (e.g. the iPhone SE). All sorts of minor annoyances. |
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| ▲ | AnotherGoodName 6 days ago | parent [-] | | Yep I've worked at other big tech where they had periodic "executive bug filing" where executives would flag minor things that are annoying. These minor issues would then have higher than normal priority purely by virtue of being flagged by an exec. I have a likely controversial opinion that this executive bug filing actually led to better outcomes. It did break prioritization in the opinion of the ground level teams and their goals but I argue it's not bad to at least periodically do this since grating against the current org structure prioritization and goals is not a bad thing to do on occasion. Chances are they'll find there's no team that considers themselves the owners of spell check or spam filtering and the goals the keyboard team are going for is likely some silly thing like "number of sentences with correct punctuation" leading to the current ridiculous outcomes where the period in the URL is way too prominent, especially considering we don't even type full URLS into the search bar that often these days. Dear Apple leads: if you're reading this do a short initiative where execs aim to file an annoyance a day. It's not hard to find such. There will be some complaints at the ground level that these executive annoyances get too much priority but part of that will be because you're questioning lower level org priorities (a healthy thing to do!), not because the issues don't matter. The end result will bring Apple a bit more in line with the quality we saw during the Jobs period since this is exactly the kind of shake up he did on occasion. |
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| ▲ | socalgal2 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Currrent MBPs have bright green/orange charging lights on both sides of the magsafe connector. They're bright enough I have to block them when I'm in a hotel and my laptop is in the same room. |
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| ▲ | elzbardico 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That light was really helpful to do the occasional late night visit to the bathroom in a home where I lived where there were no light controls at the bedside. |
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| ▲ | MortyWaves 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There has to be something going on with iOS Safari and the keyboard because my typing goes to complete shit in ways it never does in any other application. Here are some random examples I thought of for this comment. Notice how everything is spelled wrong as though the screen input doesn’t match the location of the buttons. - tomoroww eather in united.kingdom - lookip exhange rate - devopper news - download twotter.video |
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| ▲ | longtimelistnr 5 days ago | parent [-] | | I notice this as well, i think it is because the autocorrect is turned off and we may just be so used to it learning our typing habits that our "raw" typing is really that bad |
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| ▲ | mschuster91 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > I remember when macbooks briefly came out with a ridiculously bright standby led that required Black electrical tape over if you wanted to sleep with it in the house. Shortly after no more status leds on any MacBook (thank you!). The lack of status LEDs is actually the only thing I really REALLY hate about MacBooks! Too often I have been bitten by the thing not properly going to sleep because SOMETHING keeps a wake lock (and of course macOS doesn't indicate this anywhere outside of Energy Monitor, nested in System Activity) and overheating in my bag as a result. A simple LED would have been a good visual indicator that it is still awake. |