| Or you could pay your fair share to contribute back to the country that supported you initially by providing education, labour, infrastructure, etc. The moment we talk about piracy it's all about how poor billionaires will have to sleep in their cars if you make a digital copy of something you would not have otherwise bought, but when it comes to supporting the society that created you and your wealth, suddenly it's all about finding ways to weasel out of paying. |
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| ▲ | exe34 5 days ago | parent [-] | | No, because the rich will always be greedy. They already pay the lowest taxes proportionally to their wealth/income (yes I know in absolute numbers they pay the most, but that's because a billion is about a million times bigger than a thousand - can't believe I have to explain this every time, or somebody will point out the absolute numbers like it negates my point). | | |
| ▲ | nlitened 5 days ago | parent [-] | | All people are greedy, not only rich ones, that’s human nature. However high taxes ensure that it’s becoming more difficult to become rich, and only rich can get richer. Personally I think it’s better when more people can become rich, not fewer. | | |
| ▲ | exe34 5 days ago | parent [-] | | > All people are greedy, not only rich ones, that’s human nature. An yet in the current discussion, only the rich get to profit from it. > However high taxes ensure that it’s becoming more difficult to become rich, and only rich can get richer. > Personally I think it’s better when more people can become rich, not fewer. They won't get rich without food, education and housing. They're barely surviving because the rich keep sucking any chance of building wealth out of them. When inequality is low, more people become rich. When it is as high as it is currently, more people remain poor. | | |
| ▲ | ExoticPearTree 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > They won't get rich without food, education and housing. They're barely surviving because the rich keep sucking any chance of building wealth out of them. When inequality is low, more people become rich. When it is as high as it is currently, more people remain poor. Actually you can. Nothing motivates you more than the lack of basic necessities. When you're poor, you have only one option: do whatever it takes to not be poor. The reason many poor people stay poor is because they lack discipline and grit. They would rather stay poor than grind for 8-12-16h a day to get out. Rich people don't go robbing less rich people at night and that's how they get to be even richer. Stop blaming all the world's problems on "the rich who want to be even richer". | | |
| ▲ | exe34 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > Actually you can. Nothing motivates you more than the lack of basic necessities. When you're poor, you have only one option: do whatever it takes to not be poor. That's only true in rich people fantasies. | | |
| ▲ | ExoticPearTree 4 days ago | parent [-] | | > That's only true in rich people fantasies. I am not rich my any means. In today's definition of classes I guess I'm somewhere middle class with a chance of making it to upper middle class by the time I reach retirement age. But, I grew up very poor (shoes with holes in them going to school type of poor) and that motivated me to do more, learn more and hopefully achieve more than my predecessors. And for this reason I abhor all the "only the reach get richer and other's people misery is all their fault" mantra. | | |
| ▲ | exe34 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Let me guess, you did it all by yourself - you worked nights to pay for your school when you were seven. You grew your own wheat and baked your own bread. | | |
| ▲ | ExoticPearTree 4 days ago | parent [-] | | I still grow my own wheat and bake my own bread. Farm my own vegetables, raise chicken... the works. No, I took every opportunity to learn new skills and advance in life. You can mock me all you want, it is not going to change my opinion that you be poor if you chose to be poor. | | |
| ▲ | exe34 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Yes, the single mother working three jobs in America who still can't afford healthcare for her children chooses to be poor. It's like success gets to your head and pride takes the place of empathy. | | |
| ▲ | ExoticPearTree 4 days ago | parent [-] | | I am very tired of people just complaining and blaming everyone else for their situation. | | |
| ▲ | exe34 4 days ago | parent [-] | | My situation is pretty good thank you! But unlike you, I have empathy. I want us all to contribute to a society that helps out those who need it. | | |
| ▲ | ExoticPearTree 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Go donate to worthy causes, help your neighbors out and the like. Who is stopping you? But don't come here on a high horse claiming that everyone should have the same inclination like you. | | |
| ▲ | exe34 3 days ago | parent [-] | | no, I get it, you don't have empathy. it's not a flex. |
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| ▲ | rkomorn 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Rich people don't go robbing less rich people at night and that's how they get to be even richer. You should look into who profits from wage theft. Spoiler alert: it's not poor people. |
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| ▲ | nlitened 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > An yet in the current discussion, only the rich get to profit from it. In the current discussion, it’s about people who built their wealth from _zero_ by working overtime for years of sleepless nights, sacrificing their health and personal relationships — bootstrapping entrepreneurs. You kinda say: yay, fuck this greedy capitalist with taxes, we don’t want this kind who lift themselves from poverty through a lot of work. Instead we want people to stay poor, relying on government handouts, and only allow our usual masters with generational wealth not pay taxes, nobody is allowed to join the upper class through honest work. > They're barely surviving because the rich keep sucking any chance of building wealth out of them I have strong impression that you don’t personally know any person actually barely surviving (not only in Germany, but in any other country as well), and you base your opinion on pictures from social networks, where mentally ill working-age people beg for money to buy their next dose of alcohol or drugs. > When inequality is low, more people become rich. This literally never happened in the history of humankind when the taxes were this high (~20% VAT, up to 50% personal income tax) — feel free to provide a counterexample. Taxes this high is actual slavery. | | |
| ▲ | exe34 5 days ago | parent [-] | | Try Scandinavia. > Taxes this high is actual slavery. I assume you're just being a drama queen now? |
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| It is quite funny how exactly the current amount of taxes being requested by the local government is magically "fair." Although, of course, if taxes were raised, I'm sure you would still call that "fair." And countries where taxes are lower...well, the citizens must be scamming their government, I guess? |
