You are responding to a message about the cybertruck specifically, so I assume you are implying musk's behaviour is to blame for the poor sales of the CT?

The cybertruck fell flat long before Musk's true identity was revealed (maga/nazi affiliations).

Even if tesla was headed up by the most beloved CEO ever, I reckon the CT would still have sold poorly. It's just objectively a very bad, poorly designed and even worse built vehicle. And surprisingly, I feel like it's design aged very very quickly. It does not look next-gen or futuristic to me at all anymore.

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margalabargala 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

There's a lot of reasons the cybertruck is a failure, but I think a lot of it does come down to Musk; not just the cancelled orders because of his politics, but because purportedly he inserted himself into the engineering and development at a far stronger level for this vehicle than the other Tesla vehicles, and a lot of the issues stem from fulfilling his design demands.

At the time the CT was announced there were no other EV pickups remotely close to buyable. If he had stepped back, and let the people who designed the X, Y, and 3 do their thing, it would have been released in 2020, and even with its unique shape would have sold great, and probably would not have developed the reputation for poor quality that the current one has.

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eric_cc 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> Elon Musk … nazi affiliations

Do you have a source for this?

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mavamaarten 4 days ago | parent [-]

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margalabargala 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Like the other commenter said, doing something that looks like a nazi salute doesn't make you a nazi, and supporting far right parties does not make you a nazi.

Both those things do however make other people think you may be a nazi, which is all that really matters here.

Whether Elon Musk is a nazi is irrelevant, what matter is that people think he is.

	▲	Tallain 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		He may look like a duck, and he may quack like a duck, but don't let that fool you...

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eric_cc 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

So no, you don’t have a source.

Supporting parties on the right does not make you a nazi.

Raising your hand does not make you a Nazi.

	▲	margalabargala 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		> Supporting parties on the right does not make you a nazi. > Raising your hand does not make you a Nazi. Fine, sure. Certainly there's a philosophical conversation to be had about what it means for one to be made a nazi by one's actions alone, in 2025. But that doesn't matter. All that's needed for Elon Musk's behavior to cause problems is for him to do things that make other people think he is a nazi, which is a much lower bar, and one that is met by supporting far right parties and making gestures indistinguishable from nazi salutes.