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| ▲ | NoLinkToMe 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Fully agreed. Although to add, I literally never met someone with a truck, and in fact never owned a car myself either, but rented a car and also ranted a van plenty of times during a move, even with a driver. Same reason I don't own an airplane, I just rent one with a driver if I go on holiday trips. Big caveat: I've always lived in a (capital) city of my country and I have no kids yet. But by and large I think renting for the 3 day a year use-case makes more sense than owning 365 days of the year, even if you have no friends to rely on. | | |
| ▲ | SkyPuncher 5 days ago | parent [-] | | If you tow anything, renting is not an option. Rental contracts almost always prohibit towing or restrict it to only 1st party trailers. | | |
| ▲ | mlhpdx 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | This. I learned as much when I was clobbered by a distracted teen and my SUV ended up in the shop. I use it a lot for moving people, things and towing (like daily). Nobody would rent me a SUV and allow me to tow with it, only commercial truck rentals at ridiculous rates. And for the truck driver haters three things: - Are you speaking from experience or projection? Stereotyping doesn’t work. After owning a large SUV for 25 years I can say with conviction that the price is worth the utility to me. No question.
- I would LOVE to also own a small electric scooter for small trips. The cost and poor quality have put me off for years but it’s inevitable I’ll end up with one soon.
- Our next sedan will be electric as well, and probably weigh more than the SUV. Truck owners aren’t idiots or evil. | |
| ▲ | NoLinkToMe 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Eh perhaps if you rent a recreational vehicle from a company that caters these cars 90% to tourists . I've rented plenty of cars for towing, even with the trailer, from the same company. There are lots of companies that specialize in renting out vehicles for moving, construction etc. There is a market for everything. | | |
| ▲ | SkyPuncher 4 days ago | parent [-] | | Those companies likely exist, but they don’t exist in my area. The only thing that I can rent to tow with is a box truck. Needless to say, those aren’t really fit your whole family in type of vehicles. | | |
| ▲ | NoLinkToMe 4 days ago | parent [-] | | I'm curious what the population size is of the place you live (order of magnitude). I fully appreciate not every place in the world has such companies with rental offerings. If you own a boat, jetski or horse trailer etc, and live in a small metropolitan area with few rental offerings, those I think owning a car makes sense. And if it's a large enough boat (so not a jetski, which a regular car can tow), a medium/big SUV or truck is the most sensible choice. Meanwhile only about 10% of the US population lives in a metropolitan area of less than 100k people. About 65% lives in an area with >1m people for example, where I'd be quite surprised you can't find regular rentals to tow things, my city has plenty and it's <1m people. And only about 10% of households own boats, and only a fraction of those are stored on-land, and a fraction of those are larger boats that require a sizeable car (SUV/truck). Meanwhile 80% of cars are either trucks, vans or SUVs. So statistically the vast majority of people that own SUVs/trucks, do not own a boat or something equivalent that needs an SUV/truck to tow, or who live in a place where there are rentals that allow you to tow whatever you want if the car is rated for it. And even then you get to the point where the question is still whether you need to own one, or know someone with one. So I think the point stands: most truck/SUV owners don't own because of their use-case, but because of other reasons (mostly personal style / branding / feeling). Yes of course non-ownership of an SUV/Truck is not an option for 100% of SUV/Truck owners given their use-cases. But the vast majority of SUV/Truck owners statistically don't own something that needs an SUV/Truck to tow, or live in a place where you can find rental alternatives. | | |
| ▲ | SkyPuncher 3 days ago | parent [-] | | I've done this research in 4 different large metropolitan areas, including Chicago. There are a handful a major problems: 1. They don't guarantee a specific make, model, or configuration. They guarantee a hitch receiver, but they don't guarantee minimum payload capacity, brake controllers, tow mirrors, axle ratio (important for towing), or engine configuration (also critical for towing). This alone is pretty much a breaker. Again, a truck isn't any use if it cannot legally tow your configuration. 1b. Rental trucks are almost always lowest trim levels. They're not going to have a tonneau cover, advanced safety features, or creature comforts of the truck you own/lease. 1c. They do not guarantee fuel capacities or offer extended range tanks. This can be a major problem when you're towing in the middle of nowhere or in mountainous areas. 2. They do not guarantee they will have inventory available when you need it. Everyone wants to go camping and move during major holiday weekends, so it's neigh impossible to actually rent one during peak times. This argument holds against any sort of "just rent from a niche provider". Renting doesn't work if somebody else is renting the vehicle you need during the time you need it. 3. It's wildly inconvenient to actually rent a truck. For example, Enterprise does offer truck rentals - but they come from truck-centric rental locations, geared towards business and commercial use. They basically only operate during standard business hours. That means getting a rental truck requires taking time off. Some companies offer fleet rentals that basically solve all of the issues above - except these are really more like leasing programs. You can get a month-to-month rental, but prices are pretty absurd. Not to mention, you still have a truck sitting in your driveway for the part of the month you're not traveling. | | |
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| ▲ | amelius 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In most places in the 1st world you can rent a truck if you need one * For other times, use a car. * a truck is just a car that misses a roof over the back part of it | | |
| ▲ | bArray 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > * a truck is just a car that misses a roof over the back part of it Respectfully, a truck is not just a car missing the back part of it. It often has a lot more power, is lifted, has off-road springs, larger wheels, low and high speed gear box, roll cage for the front cabin, raised air intake - the list goes on. Most people, though, do just need a car with a removable back. | | |
| ▲ | amelius 5 days ago | parent [-] | | In any case, the "truck" from the article doesn't seem to have all that. |
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| ▲ | mullingitover 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I own a truck.* *It’s stored at Home Depot and whenever I need it, I just pay them $19 for the hour or so that I use it. | | |
| ▲ | mckn1ght 5 days ago | parent [-] | | I did this for a while. You’re leaving out some ancillary details: time driving to and from home depot to pick up and drop off the truck, needing a truck and no rentals available, picking up a rental truck and there’s some issue with it, something happens out of your control that requires more time with the truck but you can’t extend the rental… all things i’ve encountered. At some point the number of times i needed to use it picked up (hah) which multiplied these inconveniences enough that it became worth it to just pick up (hah) a used truck. I use it exclusively for hauling work, but that usually entails at least one trip without a load, which may lead people to incorrectly judging me for driving it unnecessarily. |
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| ▲ | Ray20 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | >In a sane society "knowing someone with a truck" is all you really need. Yes, yes, we all know. "You'll own nothing and be happy". Fewer and fewer people believe you. |
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| ▲ | stouset 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | If this were the case, you’d see more trucks with wear and tear on them and fewer with five years in and pristine paint jobs. Most people buy trucks as a lifestyle choice, not as a practical one. That’s not to say there aren’t real uses for trucks, or people who use them for their designed purpose. That’s also not to say people should be required to purchase only vehicles that meet their basic transportation requirements. People drive sports cars even without ever going out to a track. Trucks (and full-size SUVs) specifically push some pretty crappy externalities onto other road users, so it’s not exactly crazy to be annoyed with people who buy and drive big trucks a personality trait. | | |
| ▲ | Aurornis 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > If this were the case, you’d see more trucks with wear and tear on them and fewer with five years in and pristine paint jobs. You can tell how few people in this thread have any idea how light off roading or hauling works. Driving your truck down a dirt road or putting something in the back of it doesn’t destroy the paint job. You can have a work truck and keep it nice. | | |
| ▲ | stouset 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Sorry, but I have driven off-road and you inevitably get dings, nicks, and scratches from gravel, tree branches, and random detritus. I know people that use their trucks for hauling for work and they are never pristine. They don’t look destroyed. They look used. | |
| ▲ | HeyLaughingBoy 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'm sitting here smh. Everyone in my (rural) neighborhood owns a pickup truck. Except for the one dude who towed a skid steer with an Escalade. Those trucks are often towing trailers, hauling messy crap, etc. and don't look any different than any other truck on the road. Hell, I just unhooked a horse trailer less than an hour ago and the year-old truck that was hauling it looks like it just drove off the showroom floor. | | |
| ▲ | XorNot 4 days ago | parent [-] | | It is wild to me how heavily downvoted this comment is. I bought by Ford Ranger off my in-laws who literally own a farm, and it got more damage from being parked under a tree with nasty sap for too long then it's 7 years handling hauling and field work (the lesson being, I really should've been washing it more frequently then I was... And then it would really clean and so obviously isn't used real work or something). |
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| ▲ | SkyPuncher 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > If this were the case, you’d see more trucks with wear and tear on them and fewer with five years in and pristine paint jobs. I generally beat the crap out of my truck and the exterior looks just fine. It's really not hard to avoid damaging your exterior. In fact, you have to have a total accident or be completely negligent to cause actual damage. Stuff goes in the bed of the truck. The bed had a bunch of nicks and dings in it, but you're not going to be seeing that while casting judgement. Heck, go take a look at the work trucks. Find something like a welding truck, an electrician, or a plumber. These are all trucks that people literally use every single day for work, tossing stuff in and out of the bed. They just don't look that beat up. That's because it's just not that hard to avoid completely destroying your vehicle. | |
| ▲ | kortilla 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >If this were the case, you’d see more trucks with wear and tear on them and fewer with five years in and pristine paint jobs. Most people buy trucks as a lifestyle choice, not as a practical one. No you wouldn’t. Off-roading, hauling things, and towing trailers does not require destroying the finish or exterior of the truck in any way. | |
| ▲ | cosmic_cheese 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yep. Trucks that actually get used as trucks look like it with dings, scratches, and scuffs because they’re tools, not toys. Ironically they’re also often old small models that owners have been keeping running forever because they’re cheap to fix, practical, and easy to park unlike their embiggened modern counterparts. | | |
| ▲ | SilverElfin 5 days ago | parent [-] | | > Trucks that actually get used as trucks look like it with dings, scratches, and scuffs because they’re tools, not toys. Not really. Lots of people use trucks and keep them in pristine condition too. Beds have liners now to keep them looking new. And you aren’t getting random dings on the outside unless you drive into things. | | |
| ▲ | cosmic_cheese 5 days ago | parent [-] | | The amount of effort required to keep them pristine scales with the quantity and intensity of the work performed, no? The most serious truck drivers probably aren’t going to have time to buff out every little mark when it’s going to get covered in them again on the job tomorrow. | | |
| ▲ | XorNot 5 days ago | parent [-] | | People who drive a truck for work aren't going to crash it into things all the time, what are you even talking about? Do you regularly crash your car into things while driving it? Like on a daily basis? Like..you get that mud and dust just wash off, and the reason to wash them off is that once dried they can mess up the paint over a long period which then gives you a rust problem you really don't want? | | |
| ▲ | cosmic_cheese 5 days ago | parent [-] | | The people I know who drive trucks are doing things where constant small bits of damage are inevitable. Think kicked up gravel, tree branches scraping against the body, unintentionally bumping up against the truck with equipment, etc. Damage is frequent enough that it’s one of the reasons they find buying a new truck difficult to justify and would rather buy something that’s got some visible wear and tear on it already. |
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| ▲ | bix6 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I do know that because I see the same trucks driving around my neighborhood with Jerry cans and recovery boards 7 days of the week! Best case you’re looking at 28.5% weekend utilization which isn’t that bad, much better than the 1% I joked with, but how many people do you know taking an offroad adventure every single weekend? So what? Yeah I don’t really care. It’s mostly hilarious watching them try to park. | | |
| ▲ | SilverElfin 5 days ago | parent [-] | | Does it have to be an off road adventure specifically? I feel like most people will want to get two vehicles in their family that can do many things, since that’s what they have room for, rather than more. A truck could be used for off road stuff but it could also be used for taking kids and gear to their games, or for a weekend camping trip, or just for commuting. It can do whatever you need without needing to rent a different vehicle or borrow from a friend or whatever. That’s peace of mind and flexibility. I don’t even own one but I do appreciate that aspect. | | |
| ▲ | bix6 5 days ago | parent [-] | | Why do you need a truck for that? A cross over can do all that. |
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