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mensetmanusman 4 days ago

Background: UCLA violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, "by acting with deliberate indifference in creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students."

Outcome: These grants are likely in a temporary holding pattern until ucla settles the issue.

Den_VR 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

The root bsky post says “NSF is suspending roughly 300 grants with UCLA, following a DOJ finding on Tuesday that the university violated Title VI by "creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students."”

Which is entirely par for the course with the administration and doesn’t seem particularly targeted at Tao. I’m shocked even more NSF grants haven’t been hit, this was a prime DOGE target. They want these headlines.

yongjik 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

> "creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students."

So... did the dean make a public Nazi salute or something? The double standard (if we can even call it a "standard") is getting rather tiring.

throwaway290 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> "creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students"

Of course suspending grants is probably the wrong way to go about it anyway, but since you brought this up... do you imply that it's false? I'm not in the US but I heard pretty interesting things about what was happening in universities following Oct 7.

hackyhacky 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, it's false.

Students have a first amendment right to express opinions, even anti-Zionist ones.

The administration is using baseless charges of antisemitism as a cudgel to extract fealty and concessions from universities, which they see as opponents of their party.

dcre 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s complete bullshit. Half the students protesting for Gaza were Jewish themselves.

plemer 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Allowing people to speak out against overt genocide committed by a foreign government = anti-semitism. Isn’t that self-evident? /s

Tbh, this standard argument is itself anti-Jewish as it implies this behavior is inherent to being Jewish, which of course is grotesque and inaccurate.

* Jewish /= Zionist

* Zionist /= Imperialist

* Imperialist /= Genocidal

What we have really imo is an extreme colonist policy that is only superficially Jewish. That doesn’t absolve Jews in Israel supporting it, it rather absolves all those who don’t and makes genocidal colonists take responsibility for their own actions.

Also, genocide is bad.

lupusreal 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Background: UCLA violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, "by acting with deliberate indifference in creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students."

Translation: ULCA declined to violate the First Ammendment and allowed their students and faculty to criticize Israel.

zmgsabst 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Preventing Jews from entering the campus and threatening them are not protected by the 1st Amendment — that’s why UCLA settled the lawsuit for millions, because they had a duty to stop those acts.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/29/ucla-lawsuit...

nulld3v 4 days ago | parent [-]

AFAIK the protestors blocked everybody and did not discriminate. And they occupied only individual buildings or sections of campus, entry into campus as a whole was not restricted.

mensetmanusman 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s more akin to the civil rights movement/counter movement when some universities ignored various assaults on black students (saying it wasn’t their job to police behavior).

The protesters were fine to criticize Israel, but then turning the rage to the actual American Jews on campus crossed the line.

jhanschoo 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Give me a MSM source that claims that student protesters on a UC campus targeted American Jews on campus with their "rage". For this, I do not regard instances where American Jews feel unsafe or threatened to fall under this where they felt that way due to having conflated anti-Israel sentiment with antisemitism, or because of having their own identity enmeshed with modern Israel. (I do not consider identifying with modern Israel part of being an American Jew.)

DSingularity 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Provide evidence from reputable sources.

Israeli Jews kill tens of thousands of Palestinian children and we are supposed to care that Zionists feel targeted by the protests on campus? Zionists are literally starving people right now. Do you not get that?

guelo 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Which isn't even true, UCLA came down hard on protesters and they did violate the students 1st amendment rights.

bhouston 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> UCLA violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, "by acting with deliberate indifference in creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students."

Weird in that the main victims here actually pro-Palestinian students and the main attacker got a plea deal just a few days ago:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-04-30/ucla-mov...

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-07-28/ucla-pro...

kashunstva 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> UCLA violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act

Yes, I was just reading that in a DOJ press release authored by known prevaricator AG Pam Bondi.

mgaunard 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

why does US law have articles to specifically protect one ethnic group instead of being generic and protecting them all?

jdross 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

They do. The law is literally that you must equally protect all groups

hackyhacky 4 days ago | parent [-]

Correct. However, the current administration is interested in enforcing the law about discrimination only against one group.

elcritch 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They do to my knowledge, the quote is the specific violation of the civil rights act.

frob 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Thw law is very obviously being abused here by Trump and his administration to punish unfavored speech and unfavored groups. They dont care about equal protection one bit. They want to punish academics and universities so that Trump et al can controll their speech.

sjsdaiuasgdia 4 days ago | parent [-]

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

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guelo 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You state politicians' accusations without due process as fact.

seanmcdirmid 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The Trump administration alleges they violated the Equal protection clause, they haven't proven their case (and will try with all their might to avoid going to court over this). This is just more goon tactics by Trump, it should not get any more legitimacy than that.

bananapub 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

uh, no, the president has just claimed that the uni was not horrible enough to pro-palestine protestors and so he'll be randomly withholding federal money until they bend to his pathetic will and permanently destroy the independence of the university by letting his cronies rule it.

SpicyLemonZest 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Did Terence Tao or the other researchers whose grants have been suspended violate Title VI? This just seems like dishonest excusemaking for extortion. UCLA would dispute that they violated Title VI, so the Trump regime is pulling out a bat and breaking their researchers' kneecaps until they agree to give in.

insane_dreamer 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> settles the issue

pays an extortion fee; lets call it what it is

once Columbia capitulated, it was clear Trump would come after everyone else

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DSingularity 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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kj4211cash 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Was it really the Zionists that did this? Or a Trump administration that enjoys disrupting academia and experts in general.

dttze 4 days ago | parent [-]

This was already underway with Biden. It’s the Zionists and their apparent outsized influence within the US government.

sennalen 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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hackyhacky 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

How do you explain the large number of Jewish students participating in the protests against Israeli policy?

nrclark 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

citation needed

ysofunny 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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roenxi 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Additional Background: US government provides funding, US government tries to use that leverage to decide how the show will be run.

Over the years I've come to accept the blind spot most people have where, despite all evidence, they assume that the government goals match their own. But it still isn't the case. The prudent approach is to set up institutions that are largely independent of government. Government funding is not an answer to long term problems. Governments are too fickle and the political bandwidth isn't high enough to handle complex arguments like whether researching structure in sequences of 0s and 1s is a good idea.

I know the fashion is to present Trump as some weird aberration but he's been a factor for about 10 years now and won his 3rd election pretty convincing margins. Nobody can say they are surprised that the US government is behaving erratically if it is an environment where Trump is a top contender for high office.

vharuck 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

But government funding was set up in a way meant to counteract fickleness. Government actions are supposed to be proposed publicly, accept and consider public comments, and then allow legal arguments about the process and motivations. And funding is assigned by Congress, two legislative bodies with hundreds of members that follow extensive rules and procedures to do anything.

The current "fickleness" is from a single individual. The other branches of government are refusing to check out even criticize his actions. This is what would happen with any funding from individuals. The lesson we should be taking from this situation is either (1) controls on the government need to have more teeth and not rely solely on politicians, or (2) the US accepts authoritarianism right now and no Constitution would stop that.

roenxi 3 days ago | parent [-]

> The current "fickleness" is from a single individual. The other branches of government are refusing to check out even criticize his actions.

Leading to the observation that it isn't a single individual. It is a large number of people agreeing on what the political priorities are.

> Government actions are supposed to be proposed publicly, accept and consider public comments, and then allow legal arguments about the process and motivations.

The Trump people have done all that on the way to where we are right now. It's been quite hard to escape the debate over the last decade or so. It was heated, public and quite interesting to follow. There were at least 3 elections involved (realistically a lot more, the internal mechanisms of the Republican party have been active), and his opponents have been comprehensive in their analysis of his flaws and the issues with his policies.

jhanschoo 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Government funding is not an answer to long term problems.

Funding from private sources who are usually more short-sighted and less transparent can't be the alternative. An alternative I can think of are international entities that have some semblance of independence from constituent nations. I think that for a democratic government, public funding is alright, as long as the government is, well, healthy. In this light the issue with funding is simply a symptom of a government that does not serve its citizens well, which is the root cause that must be cured.

insane_dreamer 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> US government provides funding, US government tries to use that leverage to decide how the show will be run.

Pray tell where are the examples from previous administrations of how billions of dollars in funding was yanked or suspended from multiple colleges until they paid "settlement fees" just to make it go away and get their funding restored, without even any due process.

Yes, the gov have always exercised some pressure on institutions or shifting funding towards their priorities. But no one but Trump has engaged in blatant mafia-style extortion.

muglug 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Government funding is not an answer to long term problems

It has been said that government funding is the worst form of funding except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time

rickydroll 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He has only won two elections. In the first one, he lost the popular vote but won the electoral vote. In the second one, he did win the popular vote by 1.5%, which is hardly a convincing margin.

You're right, Trump is not a weird aberration; he's a natural progression of the Republican Party since at least Barry Goldwater in the early 1960s. I never thought I would live to see the John Birch Society go from radical crazies to mainstream

853c2b2b 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

>> won his 3rd election

Really - I think that more or less confirms your bias.

fc417fc802 4 days ago | parent [-]

Reads as "won the 3rd election in which he has participated". Your assumptions betray your own.