| ▲ | jjcm 5 days ago |
| They need metered billing for their plans. All AI companies are hitting the same thing and dealing with the same play - they don't want users to think about cost when they're prompting, so they offer high cost flat fee plans. The reality is though there will always be a cohort of absolute power users who will push the limits of those flat fee plans to the logical extremes. Startups like Terragon are specifically engineered to help you optimize your plan usage. This causes a cat and mouse game where they have to keep lowering limits as people work around them, which often results in people thinking about price more, not less. Cursor has adjusted their limits several times, now Anthropic is, others will soon follow as they decide to stop subsidizing the 10% of extreme power users. Just offer metered plans that let me use the web interface. |
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| ▲ | paxys 5 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| The API exists. You can generate a token and use Claude Code with it directly, no plan needed. |
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| ▲ | tough 5 days ago | parent [-] | | then why sell fake -unlimited- plans to hook people up It lasted less than a week -unlimited- been a shit show cutting down since then | | |
| ▲ | paxys 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | If 95% of users are under the limit then it isn't a "fake" plan. | | |
| ▲ | Dylan16807 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | That really depends. Like, if Opus can't make it through a full work week then at least for Opus the unlimited is pretty darn fake even if 95% of people are under that. I'm reminded of online storage plans with various levels of "unlimited" messaging around them that can't even hold a single medium to large hard drive of data. Very few users hit that, most of whom don't even have a hard drive they regularly use, but it means they shouldn't be going anywhere near the word "unlimited". | | | |
| ▲ | tough 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | fake for 5% of users. will they refund me my sub? when I subbed It was unlimited, they've rugged the terms twice already since then in less than a month | | |
| ▲ | paxys 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > Starting August 28 Read the announcement. You are getting a full month's notice. If you don't like the limits, don't renew your subscription. Of course that doesn't help if your primary goal is to be an online outrage culture warrior. | | |
| ▲ | geodel 5 days ago | parent [-] | | True. If it were easy to pirate these warriors would be claiming policy change as reason to pirate. | | |
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| ▲ | Aurornis 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > when I subbed It was unlimited, Where did you see unlimited usage? The Max plan was always advertised as higher limits, not unlimited usage. | |
| ▲ | Tokumei-no-hito 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | you were rugged? you sincerely expected you could run parallel opus agents 24/7 for $200/mo? who did the rugging here? did it occur to you that paying $7/day for a 24/7 team of dedicated senior engineers, roughly being paid 30 cents an hour, was not sustainable? yes it was unlimited. so is the public water fountain. but if you show up and hold the button down to run nonstop while chanting "it says unlimited free water doesn't it??" you must expect that it will no longer be unlimited. we went from reasonably unlimited, which 95% of users enjoyed, respected and recognized was subsidized, to no unlimited anymore because 5% wanted to abuse it. now you can scream about being rugged, just like you did for cursor, and jump to the next subsidized provider that you can abuse until there's none left. you do realize that every time "unlimited" gets abused it raises the standard of limits and pricing across the board until it becomes normalized. this was going to happen anyways on a longer timeframe where providers could optimize inference and models over time so the change wasn't so shocking, but abuse accelerated it. |
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| ▲ | Aurornis 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They never advertised the plan as unlimited Opus usage, as far as I know. | |
| ▲ | energy123 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Bait and switch. |
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| ▲ | richwater 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Just offer metered plans that let me use the web interface. The problem is this would reveal how expensive it _actually_ is to service interference right now at the scale that people use it for productive things. |
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| ▲ | throwdbaaway 5 days ago | parent [-] | | Another problem is that it works like a slot machine -- sometimes the code is good, most of the time the code is mediocre and full of bugs. Last Friday I spent about $15 in 1 hour using claude code with API key, and the code doesn't really work, even though all the unit tests passed. I am not going to touch it for weeks, while the loss is fresh in my mind. With a subscription though, you can keep on gambling, until you get a hit. |
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| ▲ | bravesoul2 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| It's 1990s shared hosting again! |
