Well, you must know how to look at download stats, search metrics, GitHub activity, social media temperature, or job posts. I feel that seeing is believing with your own eyes is sufficient for anyone who wants to investigate the issue of whether there’s any winner in popularity.

To not be misleading I wouldn’t have brought up the existence of remix lest people think Microsoft belongs in the same discussion as my software consultancy.

To be clear I’m using Tanstack Start right now.

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brulard 3 days ago | parent [-]

By your logic PHP and Java won the programming language war.

And according to github stars, (which may be considered rough measure of overall usage, not of current trend) next.js has 4x more than remix. So if your sw consultancy is one fourth size of Microsoft, you are close to a trillion dollar business. Even if you exagerrated by few orders of magnitude, thats still very big achievement, so congrats.

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threatofrain 3 days ago | parent [-]

https://npmtrends.com/next-vs-nuxt-vs-remix

Also look at trajectory. Oh my, don't you think?

When I choose things like Tanstack Start, I am very clear that this is beta software and an early bet. When I'm talking about winners in the ecosystem, I am not going to bring up Tanstack and most definitely not Remix. I don't want to confuse people into thinking they belong on the same table of discussion for ecosystem winners.

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brulard 3 days ago | parent [-]

Your information are outdated. Let me correct your chart a little https://npmtrends.com/next-vs-nuxt-vs-react-router-vs-remix

Remix no longer exists as it was all migrated to react-router. react-router v7 is what remix v3 should have been.

	▲	threatofrain 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		I think at some point there was more interest in framework as a startup, and there was indication that having a popular router (React Router) was a sufficient advantage in the race to at least try to win. Then Shopify bought them up to maybe hedge against Hydrogen. Remix never went anywhere for Shopify, Shopify didn't buy React Router, only Remix. Now, as you say, Remix is being retired. My own Remix app was rewritten as I was tired of upgrading pains. But what do you think of the argument that this is moreso Shopify folding their hand than Shopify realizing their bet via React Router?