Also look at trajectory. Oh my, don't you think?

When I choose things like Tanstack Start, I am very clear that this is beta software and an early bet. When I'm talking about winners in the ecosystem, I am not going to bring up Tanstack and most definitely not Remix. I don't want to confuse people into thinking they belong on the same table of discussion for ecosystem winners.

brulard 3 days ago | parent [-]

Your information are outdated. Let me correct your chart a little https://npmtrends.com/next-vs-nuxt-vs-react-router-vs-remix

Remix no longer exists as it was all migrated to react-router. react-router v7 is what remix v3 should have been.

	▲	threatofrain 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		I think at some point there was more interest in framework as a startup, and there was indication that having a popular router (React Router) was a sufficient advantage in the race to at least try to win. Then Shopify bought them up to maybe hedge against Hydrogen. Remix never went anywhere for Shopify, Shopify didn't buy React Router, only Remix. Now, as you say, Remix is being retired. My own Remix app was rewritten as I was tired of upgrading pains. But what do you think of the argument that this is moreso Shopify folding their hand than Shopify realizing their bet via React Router?