| ▲ | waldopat a day ago |
| “If a GoTo user looks for ‘New York Yankees,’ the first 10 choices are paid advertisers (‘Buy Yankees gear at Fogdog Sports’). On the 11th try you finally get Yankees.com, the official site of the world champs. (On Google, this comes up first.)” So...we're back to 1999 when the first 10 choices are paid ads? |
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| ▲ | signatoremo a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| Why should yankees.com be the first link? The visitor is interested in the baseball team, not necessarily their website. Google shows me a dashboard about the team with games, players, standings, recent results, upcoming games, etc. You can argue that Google hijack the traffic that websites would get otherwise, but I may get more relevant information as end user. |
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| ▲ | jeffbee a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There are no ads on the results I see for "New York Yankees" on Google right now. Also there is a HUGE difference in ad quality between the old pay for placement guys and Google. On Google, your ad has to be relevant and will be downranked into oblivion if nobody clicks on it. On Overture and the rest of them, that was not the case, they just auctioned off the results without regard to whether any of it was relevant. I know some of you refuse to believe this, but Google search ads are themselves a corpus of documents that are responsive to the user's search term. |
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| ▲ | DeepYogurt a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It would seem there's an opening for a new search engine |
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| ▲ | nostrademons a day ago | parent [-] | | The root of Google's malaise is that the web is dying. If I go to yankees.com, I get a 403. The Yankee's official site is now mlb.com/yankees, i.e. they've signed on to the generic Major League Baseball portal and just have a stock database record there. Likely they did this because the cost to run an independent website has ballooned, with all the abuse prevention and detection, anti-spam, hacking & cybersecurity, people who are trying to do something illegal and use your website as a conduit for it, legal regulations, DDoS prevention, etc. stuff you have to do. FWIW, this site is down about 2-3 screenfuls in Google, well below the fold, so Google isn't blameless here. The results above it are a sports onebox, news universal, and Twitter highlights, though, all about the Yankees/Phillies game tonight, so arguably they are showing what users actually are most likely to want to see. | | |
| ▲ | halfmatthalfcat a day ago | parent [-] | | yankees.com redirects to mlb.com/yankees and this has been the case for decades. All of the clubs have their sites managed by the League. All of the owners went in on MLBAM (MLB Advanced Media) in the 2000s to centralize the tech league wide. MLBAM became BAMTech which then sold to Disney to became Disney+. The league still has a whole tech team to maintaining not only the majors but minor league teams too. |
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| ▲ | echelon a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This ought to be illegal. Google is charging money on other people's brands. This wouldn't be a problem if there were ten popular search engines, or if portals were still popular and there were ten popular portals. But what Google has done is gross monopolistic misconduct. They've "removed the URL bar" and turned it into a search bar. They've put their browser on all devices and made it the default. They've made Google search the default. They've destroyed the ad blocker. Now, when I search for a brand, I see an ad that looks like an official result in first place. iPhone -> paid ad Nike -> paid ad Midjourney -> paid ad These are companies' hard earned brands, and yet Google is collecting rent on them. Google is taxing the entire internet. This ought to be illegal. Google deserves to be broken up. |
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| ▲ | charcircuit a day ago | parent [-] | | Google is not the internet and this behavior is not exclusive to Google. For example TikTok does the same thing. They have search ads when you search for brands on their platform. The TikTok app never had a url bar, TikTok provides search for TikTok, and it never had an ad blocker. Same thing for Amazon, same thing for X, etc. | | |
| ▲ | teddyh a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > Google is not the internet No, but they are, with ever increasing accuracy, the web. | |
| ▲ | echelon a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | You don't search TikTok to buy something from BestBuy.com You use Chrome and Google, and both are interfering with that process. They're sticking themselves in the middle of that transaction and neither you nor Best Buy want them there. | | |
| ▲ | charcircuit a day ago | parent [-] | | Why not? I guarantee you people search "bestbuy tv" or "bestbuy keyboard" on TikTok. Also don't forget about the BestBuy app, there's an option for consumers to directly visit them without doing so through another app. | | |
| ▲ | ljlolel a day ago | parent [-] | | When I search Best Buy in the App Store it shows a Walmart app ad at the top… | | |
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| ▲ | clippy99 a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Who uses google to search anymore? LLMs FTW. |
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| ▲ | mingus88 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That’s such a sad sentiment. There was a brief moment in history where we could get concise and efficient answers to any question we had. Now we need to harness the computing power of an LLM to get something remotely similar…and it’s still inherently worse. at least with a page full of search results I can compare and weed out misleading or garbage results With an LLM the users are now just taking whatever they get as the truth. Never realizing LLMs are not designed to be accurate. | |
| ▲ | leptons a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | I only use LLMs when I feel like being lied to. |
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