This is a good example of social hysteria.

1. The P320 had a real issue with firing when dropped. Although it had passed all drop tests, when dropped at a 25-degree angle onto the rear sight, the weight of the trigger was enough to fire the gun. There is a voluntary fix available for older weapons, but no recall has seen necessary.

Now, we have many videos and widespread discussion about this. Millions of people and police officers own P320s, and sometimes they make errors. It's natural to blame the gun when freak accidents occur, especially when they result in injury. The narrative of a big, greedy company trying to hide issues is always present and can be applied to almost anything.

2. Cases where the gun fired without the trigger being touched are very questionable. From lawsuits, examples include: carrying a round in the chamber and wrapping the P320 in cloth to move it; or carrying a round in the chamber and placing the P320 into a handbag. The case where a police officer's P320 fired while holstered (and there's a video of it) was studied by the FBI. The report notes that the officer had keys in his hand when he moved it near the holster. In most such cases, it's very easy to see how something could have touched the trigger. If the P320 had a genuine systemic issue, it would show up in statistics as an above-average number of accidents.

3. Now a separate P320 "out-of-battery fire" issue that's gaining traction online. This is clearly a typical hand-loading or questionable ammunition source issue, which is relatively common with all firearm models.

Summary: Starting with real issue, social media attention attached to some thing can have it's own life. making a typical number of incidents, with a variety of causes, look like a huge trend.

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ragazzina 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

>1. The P320 had a real issue with dropping when fired.

Did you mean firing when dropped?

	▲	nabla9 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Yes :)

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lazide 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

No, this is a very real manufacturing and design issue that SIG insists doesn’t exist, despite numerous well documented cases. See [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L7RXrneHlzfjrewMFIeeyc-nel3...] for one exceptionally well documented case.

In this situation, the FBI was able to duplicate the ‘spontaneous firing of a chambered round’ by pressing down slightly on the slide with nothing else going on.

SIG needs to get their head out of their ass, or they are going to burn the whole company to the ground.

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nabla9 2 days ago | parent [-]

There are no numerous well documented cases. You link to one well documented case that was document I was referring to. It does not say what you said.

They were not able to duplicate the firing the way you think BRF was able to replicate firing in holster with keys in hand.

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From the document:

"The MSP motor officer had objects in his hands at the time of the event, including keys."

then

"BRF was successful in using keys, both flat and serrated profiles, to press the trigger while the M18 was holstered. The keys were approximately 1.7” and 1.0” respectively. The trigger could be fully pressed to the rear with sufficient pressure against the side of the trigger only, or by using the holster as a fulcrum. During this test it was observed that the keys caused an abrasion on the trigger guard near the area of the abrasion seen on the weapon when it arrived (Figure 13)."

There was abrasion from the keys in the gun, BRF was able to replicate firing in holster with keys in hand.

From the conclusion: "examination of the subject weapon did not independently provide evidence of an uncommanded discharge it does indicate that it may be possible if sear engagement is lost. The disabling of the striker safety lock through movement and friction creates a condition which merits further exploration to fully assess potential risk."*

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lazide 2 days ago | parent [-]

“On July 31, 2024, a MSP motor officer was standing in a squad area with other members when his department issued Sig Sauer M182 fired uncommanded. The firearm was reportedly secured in the department issued Alien Gear Rapid Force Level 3 holster at the time of firing. According to the MSP motor officer’s statement and the statements of others present, at no time was the trigger pressed intentionally or inadvertently3 . The MSP motor officer had objects in his hands at the time of the event, including keys. The subject firearm, while in the holster, was removed from the member’s leg and placed in an evidence bag pending further evaluation.”

Do you work for SIG or something?

Of course someone could reach into the holster with keys and hit the trigger, but there is no conceivable way it could be that in this situation. And this isn’t the only time - I’ve seen several videos of Sig P320’s doing this that are completely unrelated to this situation.

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nabla9 2 days ago | parent [-]

I can read what you wrote. You said that the evaluation duplicate something. Only thing they duplicate was the possibility of key firing. You must be referring to that.

They were not able to duplicate physical malfunction.

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lazide 2 days ago | parent [-]

They absolutely were able to duplicate elements of physical malfunction.

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nabla9 2 days ago | parent [-]

Yes. "elements" of physical malfunction, not the malfunction.

That means they were able to individual safety mechanism fail, but not all of them. The intact gun would not fire all by itself if it was hammered in the test.

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lazide 2 days ago | parent [-]

And yet, it did in reality.

And there were clear manufacturing defects found when looking at the gun.

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nabla9 2 days ago | parent [-]

You started with "the FBI was able to duplicate the ‘spontaneous firing of a chambere"

And we end with perfect social media claim: "I believe it did happen in reality".

I rest my case.

	▲	lazide 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Bwahaha, sure dude. That’s totally what is happening.