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tonymet 2 days ago

For most people, a 1 hour moderate run is only about 1-2 cookies worth (and only half a Crumbl cookie). Even a marathon run might only burn 2000 calories . a chipotle burrito is 1600 .

In other words, for 95% of people doing activity, they shouldn't eat any surplus if their goal is to maintain or lose weight.

It's actually best to do most of your activity undernourished, as it helps develop true intuitive nutrition feedback sensation. You'll start to sense how every macro and salt feels when you ingest it. Loss of this sensation is a major obesity driver. A numbness for nutrients.

cassepipe 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Eating while actually being hungry is a great sensation. That's why I stopped snacking/sugar treats, it always spoil my hunger for when it's meal time. On the other hand, when I have having my meal, no restriction on veggies/meat/fish, open bar, I eat as much as I want.

I always welcome hunger knowing that I live in a society of calorie abundance. I generally tend to feel annoyed when people that are hungry start treating like an emergency.

tonymet 2 days ago | parent [-]

Plus everything tastes ten times better. Even white rice or a slice of bread tastes divine when hungry

nmfisher a day ago | parent [-]

I still remember how amazing an unsalted boiled egg tasted the first time I did a 72 hour fast.

nirui a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It's actually best to do most of your activity undernourished, as it helps develop true intuitive nutrition feedback sensation. You'll start to sense how every macro and salt feels when you ingest it.

Not exactly my experience.

My did a exercise schedule involves climbing a mountain every week. The mountain is about 400 meters (that's ~1312 feet, or more than four American football fields laid end-to-end) tall, and the exercise was usually done during afternoon (1 or 2 hours before dinner) without eating lunch.

After two mouths of that, I've noticed:

1. My weight or belly size don't really changed much. I also notice that some people who also frequented the mountain have big bellies.

2. I got very hungry after that, which triggers me to eat more during dinner, usually salty food.

3. The delight of salt becomes craving, probably due to the lost of liquid/electrolyte through sweat (and tears, probably).

4. For comparison, I stops craving salty thing the next day.

I guess you need to actively suppress some of your inner urges to really make the "nutrition feedback sensation" work. Otherwise, exercise more only leads to consume more.

P.S. Also, doctors really can't recommend doing heavy physical activity with empty stomach, as it might increase your heat rate or something (I might be hearing it wrong). I've since changed the schedule so I can eat something before start climbing, though my belly size still remained the same, and I'm still craving for salty food if uncontrolled.

But maybe it's just because I don't know how to do it correctly.

tonymet a day ago | parent [-]

I was in this loop when i started cycling to work. Thinking that with 2+ hours i could eat anything during the day.

You seem self aware that’s a good starting point

procaryote 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're right that it's easy to out-eat the running you can sustain as a regularly fit person, but there's no "only" about 2000 calories

2000 calories is pretty near the daily calory requirement for a healthy weight human. If you are of healthy weight and eat appropriately, you pretty much have to eat twice as much to compensate for that marathon

yoz-y 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

If you burn 2k calories daily exercising you are no longer gen pop. The case still stands, statistically nobody is out-exercising a bad diet.

tonymet 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

For fatties the benefit is even greater

tmvphil 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think a chipotle burrito is actually 1600 calories unless you do something non-standard. Probably 800-1100

tonymet 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Fair enough but people are eating those daily plus 2 more meals. They don’t need any additional food , even if they were running a marathon every day

halfmatthalfcat 2 days ago | parent [-]

You're mistaking active calories as the only calories you burn a day. There's a reason the caloric intake recommendation is ~2kcal/day, because your RMR (resting metabolic rate) is ~2kcal/day. Meaning if you were to literally sit in bed all day, you are "burning" ~2kcal/day. On top of that you have your incidental energy expenditure per day (TDEE), aka walking to the fridge, taking a shit, general locomotion, etc. You then have active calories burned on top of that. If you were to run a marathon, that means you would need to eat ~5kcal in one day to break even.

tonymet 2 days ago | parent [-]

Yes I’m advocating eating less. It sounds like we agree with each other. What did I miss?

rendaw a day ago | parent [-]

If someone would have eaten 3 meals for a sum of 2000 cal, with one being a 500 calorie meal, and they decide to switch that out with a 1600 calorie chipotle burrito, then the excess calories they need to burn are only 1100. Which a half marathon would more or less cover.

The situation you described only makes sense if they're eating 2000 calories worth of food during the day then adding an extra chipotle burrito.

Re: your 2nd marathon comment, if someone is eating two 800 calorie meals a day plus an extra 1600 calorie burrito, that comes out to 3200 calories. Minus the 2k resting expenditure, minus the 2k marathon expenditure, they're 800 calories short so they do need to consume more.

Is, I believe, the argument GP is making.

I don't disagree with you, I think the amount of exercise most people are capable of doing on a daily basis the extra calorie needs are insignificant. But I think your examples overstate the point.

tonymet a day ago | parent [-]

we agree then that eating isn't necessary.

tonymet 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

plus shrinkflation

halfmatthalfcat 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Strava said I burned near 4k calories on my last marathon.

tonymet 2 days ago | parent [-]

And most people eat more than 2 chipotles a day , even with no marathons

znpy 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

+1 for undernourishment.

Discovered that as a broken uni student, and has become my goto fix to lose weight. Lost 10-11kgs over the last year by means of that. The occasional “cheat” (mostly social events really) slows the process down but don’t really stop it. It’s not really a fast process though… but it strongly depends on how under nourished you are and how active you are. For me keeping myself between 8000 and 10’000 steps a day was sufficient.

tonymet 2 days ago | parent [-]

That’s great progress. It comes down to inverting the normal indulgence cycle. Once you discover that under-eating can feel better than over eating – you feel immensely better.