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JKCalhoun 2 days ago

I have been, rather lazily I suppose, trying to tweak my diet in such as way as to lose weight; and with little to show for it.

I'm not sure that there is much if any processed food still in my diet (maybe just the English muffin in the morning?). I stopped buying/drinking soda pop decades ago (a low-hanging fruit indeed — I lost almost 10 pounds within a month of making that dietary change alone).

And since I have tried little things like switching to peanut butter that contains only peanuts (no salt, no sugar, not palm oil — sure, I have to stir it when I open it for the first time). I've moved to whole grain bread. Other small changes like that I can't remember right now.

I still have a BMI that's too high.

The only time I have significantly lost weight was when I was prepping for intestinal surgery nearly a decade ago. I was at the time worried that eating too much would literally kill me (I was worried about bursting my intestine) that I ate very small portions for each meal.

I'm not sure why I can't change my habits such that I continue to eat those small portions (now that the fear is gone).

diath 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

The first problem with people unable to lose weight is simply not counting calories and trying to "switch to healthier food and eyeball it". You have to have a kitchen scale and measure portions. Track every meal in an app. It's annoying at first, but once you get in the habit, it's just part of preparing the meal. When you do that, you will be able to tell which meals in your diet are high calorie (which, some are surprisingly calorie dense contrary to what a lot of people think), and find replacements or downsize the portions accordingly.

The second problem is people simply not being honest with their calorie tracking. You may only eat 3 meals but then when you're hungry you will eat a handful of raisins, peanuts, or something else, a lot of people will think to themselves "well, it's just a handful, so it can't be that many calories" - but repeated habit of eating those adds up, and most people don't account for that in their calorie tracking app. Similar to adding a small bit of, say, butter to your pan before making scrambled eggs. You may think, "it's only about 10 grams of butter, it's not much so why bother tracking it", but that 10 grams of butter is 75 calories, over the course of a month of preparing scrambled eggs every morning for breakfast, that's 2250 kcal, after 3 months, that's an entire KILO of bodyweight fat that you either gained or could have lost - small things add up.

Sometimes (but less frequently) it's also hormonal issues, you may want to go to a clinic to do a bloodtest (specifically thyroid hormones and diabetes markers).

Also, low intensity cardio (slow pace incline treadmill/stairmaster) can go a long way in aiding weight loss.

thewebguyd 2 days ago | parent [-]

Yep. It's almost always either not tracking or not being honest with tracking.

It's possible to overeat anything - whether a food is "healthy" or not, while important, isn't what matters for weight loss. Burning more calories than you consume is what is important for weight loss.

Where I see folks, particularly men, fail most often is in their mid-late thirties. Sedentary lifestyle, wants to lose the "dad bod." Someone in that situation, with no physical activity, would actually have a fairly low TDEE so a 500 cal/day deficit might look like eating in a range of 1500-1700 calories/day, which if they are like the average American and used to consuming 3500+ calories/day, will be quite the shock - so they are almost immediately super hungry, and might start out with good intentions with tracking what they eat but will frequently miss all the little snacks here and there, or just haven't developed the skill of meal prepping, and properly weighing out their food.

It's a lot of work, and requires a lot of dedication. Too many articles out there that just simplify it down to "Eat less, move more" but don't do enough to actually educate folks on what that really looks like.

anonymousDan 2 days ago | parent [-]

Any good resources you recommend on this? Speaking as an early forties Dad :)

thewebguyd 2 days ago | parent [-]

First, figure out your TDEE (Total Daily Energy Expenditure) to figure out how much of a deficit you need to eat in to lose weight at your desired rate.

You can start off with one of those online calculators (like this one: https://tdeecalculator.net/). 1 to 2lbs/week is generally healthy and sustainable. Losing weight too fast can cause you to lose a lot of muscle as well, which is generally what you don't want (resistance training will help with this)

I like this TDEE spreadsheet, as the formulas aren't always accurate for everyone: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7gGXXQIy4R4ejRRNkZHZHFDOW8...

You log what you eat and your weight everyday, after a few weeks you should have a pretty good picture of your TDEE and know how much you need to eat for your desired weight loss. What was important for me, is that if you add in exercise, try not to eat back what you burned from the exercise - smart watches/fitbits aren't always accurate in their estimates, so just use the exercise as an opportunity to dig a little deeper of a deficit (and for the other health benefits).

As much of a pain in the ass it is, you'll want to weigh your food for a while, down to individual ingredients including cooking oil, as it's really easy to underestimate how much you consume (2 tbps of olive oil is 120 calories, for example - that adds up over the course of a week if you are using that much or more every time you cook).

The reddit r/fitness wiki has a wealth of information on diet and routines as well, I highly recommend skimming it over: https://thefitness.wiki/

If you are able I'd recommend resistance training along with diet as well. Building muscle will help boost your metabolism a bit, help with aesthetic goals, and getting stronger will only help you as you get older. No need to go crazy here, even just 2 to 3 days/week, especially for a beginner, can give you some pretty big improvements. A lot of people think they need to hit the gym 6 days/week like a body builder but it's not necessary at all.

Lastly, take progress photos and/or body measurements as well. You'll hit periods, especially if you are resistance training, where the scale isn't moving, but you could still very well be losing body fat so the photos/measurements can be helpful to keep your motivation through these periods. Expect your weight to fluctuate a lot too day to day, what's important is the average trend over time, not necessarily day to day.

Hope that helps!

roguecoder 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How bodies related to food varies _wildly_. For example, my body has difficulty processing certain foods, so I lost a ton of weight switching from "healthy" fruits and veggies and plant-based protein to mostly pre-processed carbs and fatty meat. (Low FODMAP, for folks who are curious: be ready to learn chemistry to figure out what is safe to eat.)

That diet isn't going to have the same effect for most people, but in my case it significantly lowered my inflammation and general discomfort, which led me to lose 90lbs with no actual effort on my part.

I knew one dude who was always hungry and it turned out he just desperately needed B12. Now he snacks on B12 gummies and feels much better. Debugging our bodies is more complicated than debugging a software program, but no programmer would say "Just run the program less!" if someone complained a program was eating up all the CPU.

The one thing that is always good for humans, whether we lose weight or not, is some physical activity. Whatever we can enjoy enough to do regularly, without injury, is a great choice.

I wish the medical profession would stop focusing on diet, when it doesn't understand it and calorie restrictive diets are one of two lifestyle components we know actually do contribute to obesity.

SeanAnderson 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Have you tried introducing a food scale? Not with the intent of changing your portions or anything like that - just out of idle curiosity to confirm how much you're eating?

I found that I was eating over double the amount of nut butter that I was estimating once I started weighing it. After a couple of months I was able to go back to eyeballing it while remaining accurate.

A lot of wisdom suggests being +/- 300 calories from your TDEE to cut/bulk. Three tablespoons of peanut butter is ~285 calories. So it's entirely possible that something as small as an estimation error is responsible for whether you're gaining or maintaining. Same goes for eyeballing cooking oils, seeds & nuts, and, to a lesser extent, processed carbs.

mvieira38 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're trying to eat clean instead of lean/volumous. Why care about palm oil or salt in peanut butter if it's still like straight fat that you're passing on your bread every day? The actual diet move would be to switch that to some fruit and low fat yogurt. Same thing with whole grain bread, you just got some more fiber and vitamins but the calories are mostly all there still, especially if it's sandwich bread.

Clean/natural/unprocessed is an independent variable from fattening. There is correlation in that processed foods are sometimes highly palatable, but there is no causation. To illustrate, you could top your toast with either honey or Mrs Butterworth's Sugar Free syrup. Honey will add like 10x more calories, but is unprocessed, while the syrup is as processed as there can be

kelnos a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think it's great to try to eliminate foods that you believe aren't healthy (in any quantity) from your diet, but if you replace those foods with a quantity of other foods that keep your caloric intake more or less the same, you're not going to lose weight.

> ... I ate very small portions for each meal.

That's what does it. Decreasing the calories you eat.

> I'm not sure why I can't change my habits such that I continue to eat those small portions (now that the fear is gone).

Because, like all of us, you're only human, and human psychology, plus how our stomachs and brains signal each other, is complex and sometimes makes it really hard for us to achieve our goals. It sucks, but that's how it is. This is why the semaglutide weight loss drugs are proving so effective: they short-circuit some of that and help you just not want to eat as much food.

If drugs aren't for you, try counting calories, and use an app to help with it and help keep you honest. I experimented with it back in 2017 or so, and it actually did cause me to be more mindful about how much I ate, and made me think twice if I'd already hit my calorie budget for the day but wanted more food. I was pleasantly surprised to find I actually did lose weight. I didn't stick with it (don't remember why), but it did work for me for a time.

yoyohello13 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As much as it sucks. Tracking calories is very helpful. Commit to 1-2 months of tracking and you can train yourself to better eyeball what you're eating. It's very hard to just 'eat healthy' to lose weight if you don't have a baseline of calorie content of food.

Like I straight up just don't eat nut butters anymore because they are a massive calorie bomb, and I find the loose nuts more satiating. When you track for a while you start building an instinct for optimizing the satiety/calorie ratio of your meals.

thewebguyd 2 days ago | parent [-]

> As much as it sucks. Tracking calories is very helpful. Commit to 1-2 months of tracking and you can train yourself to better eyeball what you're eating. It's very hard to just 'eat healthy' to lose weight if you don't have a baseline of calorie content of food.

Just to add to this - periodically track again as well and keep track of your weight progress and bodyfat % if you are able.

If you aren't also building muscle, as you lose weight your total energy expenditure will decrease as well so after a while what was enough of a calorie deficit for you may no longer be in a deficit as you lose weight. So if you notice you start stalling after a while, start tracking again to see if your TDEE has changed and adjust as needed.

goda90 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Have you tried intermittent fasting? There's a lot of controversy around the impacts of fasting, but there's one simple fact involved: it's harder to exceed your calorie needs for a day in 1 or 2 meals than in 3 or more because at some point you are just too full to eat more. If you're focused on getting lots of veggies in your limited meals, the number of calories that "fit in your stomach" will also go down.

Assuming you don't have some metabolic disorders, you'll get used to being hungry for part of the day.

adonese 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This time last year I was in Kampala for roughly 4 months. I used to cook at home and I avoided any process food. Zero to little carb. I was walking a lot though and quite regularly (the weather there is just so good). Now, one year later I moved to Dubai and I think I gained around 10kg.

The only difference being the amount of processed food and the lack of my daily walking routines. But granted, I gained 10kg while im on one meal a day.

redox99 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A good diet only helps so much. Of course with enough self control, a caloric deficit will make you lose weight, but you need to make yourself perpetually hungry. Eating clean without measuring and limiting portions is not enough for people whose appetite is naturally higher.

Ozempic was the only thing that actually solved my hunger. I would eat healthy, do exercise, but without ozempic my appetite was unstoppable and would think of food 24/7.

BTW you can still improve your diet. PB and bread are bad for weight loss. Go with high protein, low carb. But even that was not enough for me.

JKCalhoun 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah, lat week switched to two eggs for breakfast (now ½ an English muffin so I have something to put the eggs on).

But I wonder if Ozempic is not a bad idea. My BMI is below 30 — which is what my doctor said is her threshold for recommending something like Ozempic. So I feel like I should just keep working on the self-discipline a little harder.

Intermittent fasting keeps coming up and I have not tried it. I think that will be my experiment in the coming months.

redox99 2 days ago | parent [-]

I was slightly under 30 too. The mental focus and not having any food noise is so worth it. It was a constant struggle that just vanished.

tartoran 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Aren't you worried at all about side effects from ozempic and what happens when you stop taking it?

sunshowers 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Not the GP but I'm already on several meds that are lifelong -- one more doesn't faze me.

redox99 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No. I believe the health benefits of not being overweight, both physical and self esteem, heavily outweigh the side effects.

I plan to keep taking it for life (or some equivalent drug).

cthalupa 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

What side effects? Stomach discomfort when you start on the med and titrate up?

Current recommendations on the GLP-1s is to keep using them even after goal weight.

JKCalhoun a day ago | parent [-]

I have heard that feelings of nausea as a side effect are almost a given.

knicholes 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Try a diet plan where you prep your own meals and intake a specific amount of calories. I've used Clean Simple Eats in the past. Diet only works. Diet+exercise works better, and adds all of the benefits of exercise.

JKCalhoun 2 days ago | parent [-]

I walk over 2 miles a day. My doctor suggested weight training (which I had not thought of as a way to lose weight — I don't think of it as an aerobic workout).

nradov 2 days ago | parent [-]

Two miles is almost nothing.

nerdjon 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So I will first emphasize, try to avoid a "diet" and feeling the need to eliminate anything.

Unless you just really struggle with impulse control and you need those guard rails, for me the only way that I managed to loose about 45 lbs was by looking at things this way.

I did not cut a single thing out of my diet, what I did was make smart choices/swaps at home that still satisfied cravings most of the time so when I want to go to the store and get a candy bar I will go to the store and get a candy bar and not feel bad about it.

Easy one was not keeping soda in the house anymore, I have switched almost entirely to water outside of milk in my coffee. When I am out I may sometimes grab a soda but meh.

I make homemade peanut butter. I buy dry roasted unsalted peanuts, add in a small amount of salt and its great.

Trying a bunch of different apples and finding the sweetest apples I could find, and then eating that with peanut butter for some added protein.

Strawberries with chocolate humas.

I started making my own chicken stock which had more flavor and less sodium.

Making my own heartier soups that tasted great.

Also... Seasoning. More than just salt and pepper. Some really good (non American generally) seasoning will go a long way and is basically a zero calory way to really good food.

Other random small changes that are very situational for you. Look at your snacking habbits, that is where most of my issues came in.

Where I could I would choose things that would also increase my protein intake. I didn't go crazy. I never counted calories or anything and the weight just came off. Sure I could have lost a bit more had I done that, but I am at the point now that is the 10 more lbs going to make that big of a difference in the grand scheme of things as I work towards gaining more muscle anyways.

I realize this may not work for everyone, but I am not on any sort of "diet" in any traditional sense of the word. What I am doing now is perfectly sustainable for the rest of my life because I can still live my life and largely eat what I want within reason. I had taco bell today and don't feel bad about it in the slightest.

I should add that during most of this weight loss I did not change my workout habbits. I was focusing on my nutrition first. I do live in a city and I walk everywhere, but that did not change in this time.

JKCalhoun a day ago | parent [-]

This is what I am trying to do as well. Switch out bad habits for healthy ones. But it looks like I also need to dial down the quantity — maybe drop to two meals a day.

> Easy one was not keeping soda in the house anymore

Yeah, no shit. As I mentioned in another comment, that was a low hanging fruit that saw me lose nearly 10 pounds when I cut that out of my diet.

I want to scream at people when I see them hanging 6-packs off the sides of their grocery carts — or seem them stacking cases of soda in the cart undercarriages.

U.S. grocery stores are depressing places when you come to recognize, as has been said, that more or less the whole store minus the end-aisles (where produce, deli, etc. are) is just processed crap.

stefantalpalaru 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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