| ▲ | 1234letshaveatw 2 days ago |
| I'm sure you feel the same way about cutting down on cell phones right? How about we just let people keep their cars (preferably EVs), but feel free to go live in a dense cell block and eat bug juice if that is what floats your boat. |
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| ▲ | ceejayoz 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| It's hard to share a cell phone. If there are opportunities to make them more environmentally friendly (longevity, production processes, better batteries, etc.) we should absolutely try to do those things. EVs are better than ICE cars, but shared-use buses/trains/etc. are often even better. We can do more than one thing. |
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| ▲ | 1234letshaveatw 2 days ago | parent [-] | | It's really not hard to share a cell phone, you and eg your spouse could alternate days and have one phone for example. It is just a tradeoff you are not willing to make. But, not having a car is a tradeoff YOU are willing to make so your are ok with pushing it on others. | | |
| ▲ | sofixa 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > But, not having a car is a tradeoff YOU are willing to make so your are ok with pushing it on others. Nobody is trying to take your car away, you scared person who cannot fathom not being attached to a car. I'm merely saying there must be alternatives to driving. I don't care what they are, they will be location dependent. If you want to drive, as long as you pay your externalities, nobody cares. But it's fundamentally wrong to gatekeep all of society behind a fundamentally inefficient manner of transport (individual cars). It's wrong socially (no social mobility), it's wrong ecologically (cars are still the most polluting way of transportation, even EVs), it's wrong economically (very inefficient), it's wrong from the amount of people dying from cars, it's wrong on every possible measurable metric. So, alternatives should be present, so that those that wish to do so, or for whom it's better/faster/more efficient/can't use anything else because of mobility issues/can't afford anything else, they can take them. Bike lanes, trains, buses, whatever, doesn't matter. | | |
| ▲ | 1234letshaveatw 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Don't be afraid piglet, I won't take your phone. Nobody is trying to outlaw public transport- but there absolutely people advocating for an end to private ownership of cars | | |
| ▲ | sofixa a day ago | parent [-] | | > Nobody is trying to outlaw public transport In Anglophone North America, a lot of people ate trying and succeeding in crippling it to such an extent that only those who literally have no other choice use it. > there absolutely people advocating for an end to private ownership of cars A fringe of a fringe, maybe. |
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| ▲ | p_j_w 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > feel free to go live in a dense cell block and eat bug juice if that is what floats your boat. That this is considered a valid response to someone suggesting we need more mass transit is a sign that our discourse has fallen off a cliff. You can and should do better. |
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| ▲ | 1234letshaveatw 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Why is it that these "do better" suggestions always feel like an attempt to shut discussion down. Being anti-car does not make you some moral authority | | |
| ▲ | p_j_w 2 days ago | parent [-] | | "You want everyone to live in a prison cell and eat nothing but bugs" is not discussion. | | |
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| ▲ | sofixa 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > I'm sure you feel the same way about cutting down on cell phones right How many people die in cell phone accidents yearly where you live? How many have reduced lifespans due to the pollution of cell phones? And how many hours can be saved per year per human with good cell phone sharing? I would guess the number is 0 for all of those, but quite a bit higher for cars alternative transportation options. If you feel personally offended by the mere idea that there might be alternatives to cars, and that at the scale of a human settlement, they're often better, you need to take a step back and consider why you identify yourself with cars so much. And if that doesn't help, consider that more people having alternatives means less cars on the roads, so more space for you to vroom vroom around and less people bothering you on the road! |
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| ▲ | ceejayoz 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > How many people die in cell phone accidents yearly where you live? To be fair: thousands. https://www.ncsl.org/transportation/distracted-driving-cellp... | |
| ▲ | 1234letshaveatw 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Do you have any idea how many hours the average person uses their phone? There is no other object that has been a greater detriment to mental and physical health in human history. This is just another instance where someone is willing to push something (only using public transport) on someone else because it fits their viewpoint, but you can't even consider something that would have a similar impact on yourself in return (giving up your phone). | | |
| ▲ | sofixa 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > Do you have any idea how many hours the average person uses their phone Irrelevant on the topic of there being more efficient modes of transportation of humans in dense environments. > There is no other object that has been a greater detriment to mental and physical health in human history While potentially true, that's entirely ignoring all the extremely useful things people do with their phones. > only using public transport The fact that you take a mention of providing alternatives to cars as a stance on "only using public transport" indicates to me that you're not interested in having an actual discussion, and your car is part of your core identity. None of that is healthy, so again, step back and consider the benefits. Even purely selfishly, more people out of cars because they can bike or take the train is better for you because there will be less traffic for you. | | |
| ▲ | 1234letshaveatw 2 days ago | parent [-] | | For your own mental health, you need to take a breath and try and not take alternative viewpoints as personal attacks. The post I responded to referenced "efforts to try to reduce the number of cars on the roads instead of just replacing them 1:1 and calling it a day." i.e. reducing personal car ownership. Don't ignore the fact that people do extremely useful things with their cars- lifesaving activities. You obviously are attached to your phone, the same way people are attached to their personal cars. A little bit of empathy would go a long way here | | |
| ▲ | sofixa a day ago | parent [-] | | > For your own mental health, you need to take a breath and try and not take alternative viewpoints as personal attacks Like jumping to prison cells and bug juice at the hint of reducing the amount of cars on the roads? | | |
| ▲ | 1234letshaveatw 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | Like taking the logical leap to the conclusion that I identify myself with cars?? Pot meet kettle | | |
| ▲ | sofixa 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | After you jumped to bug juice, yes, obviously cars make a big part of your identity. |
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