Java has also improved greatly since JDK 7 so the need for JDK languages that are Java, but just a little better, is less than it was.

▲ BrandonSmith 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Kotlin ecosystem extends way beyond the Java runtime. I have apps developed in Kotlin running in browsers and iOS, in addition to Android.

	▲	vips7L 11 hours ago \| parent [-]
		You can do that in Java too. TeaVM, JavaFX, pick your poison.

▲ smith7018 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Kotlin is much better than "Java, but just a little better."

▲ c03 2 days ago | parent [-]

Kotlin has everything. A language isn't better just because it has more.

Its great for DSLs though.

▲ PaulHoule 2 days ago | parent [-]

Java is pretty good for DSLs too.

▲ ohdeargodno 2 days ago | parent [-]

Language.Builder().getOh().getYes().getJava().getIsSoNice().setFor(() -> { return "DSLs";});

No trailing lambdas, no infix operators, no @DslMarkers, no top level functions, and an infinite list of examples of Java verbosity making even the smallest thing look like an ancient greek epic. Java is utterly terrible for DSLs.

▲ vips7L 2 days ago | parent [-]

   Language {
       oh {
           yes {
              Java {
                  isSoNice
           }
       }
   }

You can contrive awfulness in any language.

▲ PaulHoule 2 days ago | parent [-]

The awfulness of one style of Java DSL is the awfulness of Lisp, that is

  building(of(S("expressions"),everything())

	▲	vips7L 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Not going to lie, my brain doesn't really comprehend lisp. So the joke (or point?) is way over my head.