| ▲ | echelon a day ago |
| What if there truly is no moat? What if you can just hook your AI system up to some other AI system and drain everything? No weights access required. Just train on the raw inputs/outputs. What stops this from being the future? |
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| ▲ | nomel a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| According to OpenAI, this is how DeepSeek did it: https://hls.harvard.edu/today/deepseek-chatgpt-and-the-globa... I've had Claude 3.5, Grok 3, and DeepSeek claim that it was made by OpenAI. |
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| ▲ | codedokode a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > However, OpenAI has publicly acknowledged ongoing investigations as to whether DeepSeek “inappropriately distilled” their models to produce an AI chatbot at a fraction of the price. I wonder does OpenAI has permission from all authors of works it "inappropriately distilled"? A pirate has no right to complain about safety of navigation. I think there should be a system that if country A illegally uses works of country B for developing an AI, it loses copyright protection in country B. | | |
| ▲ | nomel 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | > I wonder does OpenAI has permission from all authors of works it "inappropriately distilled"? The rulings are leaning towards it being transformative enough to be fair use, so permission may not be required [1]. We'll have to see how it goes with Disney vs Midjourney. > I think there should be a system that if country A illegally uses works of country B for developing an AI, it loses copyright protection in country B. This would be pointless with China, since it's already how they operate, as continuously reported by the WTO. But, I see your point. [1] https://www.whitecase.com/insight-alert/two-california-distr... |
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| ▲ | whimsicalism a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is maybe how DS did v3, but certainly not the big technical leap to r1. |
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| ▲ | refulgentis a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Isn't that today? (or, perhaps more pedantically, yesterday and today and tomorrow?) |
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| ▲ | vajrabum a day ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm pretty sure I've seen that openai was complaining about one of their customers doing exactly that a couple of years ago. Yes, here https://aibusiness.com/nlp/tiktok-parent-allegedly-used-open... | | |
| ▲ | refulgentis a day ago | parent [-] | | Cosign, happens all the time in my experience, and off the top of my head easily undisputable evidence thats Google-able: early open models on ChatGPT transcripts, Google on ChatGPT transcripts, ByteDance on OpenAI, DeepSeek on OpenAI |
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| ▲ | echelon a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | ... and tomorrow, and the next day. It never ends. There's no moat. One day your at-home GPU will unwind an entire hyperscaler's worth of expertise. Does the capital outlay get them anything at all apart from a temporary lead? While you couldn't download a car, your product use might train a low-cost competitor. |
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