I sometimes think that "track record" is the main value of Google and Apple. They have been around for decades, and except in their own interest to collect data for themselves, I am not aware of any blatant privacy violations of these companies. And one can hope that in their own interest, they keep it that way. That's not great, but it's better than the other companies.

I don't see how any company can compete with this unless they somehow figure out how to make a vastly superior product.

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dgb23 a day ago | parent | next [-]

What about PRISM?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM

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ArtTimeInvestor a day ago | parent [-]

Do Apple and Google have a choice to legally opt out of it?

	▲	Zak a day ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Yes, by incorporating end-to-end encryption in their services.
	▲	danparsonson a day ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		What difference does that make to the outcome? If anything, being automatically subject to that without any option is worse.

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bapak a day ago | parent | prev [-]

What's your definition of "collect data for themselves?" Because both do, albeit in substantially different amounts.

	▲	ArtTimeInvestor a day ago \| parent [-]
		Can you elaborate on those "substantially different amounts"?