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It is quick status report, purely form exercise. You hear names of tasks you know nothing about and have no idea whether you can help. All the useful parts happen when it is ineffective and people discuss details.

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whstl 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It shouldn’t be a status report, though. This information is already in Jira or whatever.

Someone running a standup meeting where people just repeat information is by definition not doing an efficient job at all.

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watwut 14 hours ago | parent [-]

There is only so much information one can fit into 1 minute long report. The thread is literally defining effective standup and a quick one where people answer the "what have you done, what you will do" questions. The one where discussion is cut so that it is as short as possible.

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whstl 8 hours ago | parent [-]

You're the one complaining about "hearing names of tasks you know nothing about" but you're also the one saying it should consist of "what have you done, what you will do".

It doesn't. :)

Stand ups are not for status reports, they're for syncing. "I have a big PR coming so please check it today". "I am still stuck with the sprongler bifurcator but I expect to be over tomorrow". "I need to involve someone from team X, their stuff is blocking me". "Ok, Y, let's chat after this meeting".

	▲	watwut 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I did not defined what standups are supposed to be. But I would point out that the senteces you suggested are irrelevant to other peoppe in 95% cases.

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elktown 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And this is painfully obvious to anyone not working in tech, where there seem to be some kind of blind spot for such obvious micromanagement bs as standups. "Yeah, we really trust you, but you need to give a status update in-person every day on-top of keeping a up-to-date written log".

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mcv 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What does management have to do with it? They're not involved. It's for the team.

	▲	elktown 9 hours ago \| parent [-]
		The closest middle-manager? They come with a whole range of titles.

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zmgsabst 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

We did the same in apartment maintenance — a career completely unlike tech.

We’d stand around the managers office, take thirty seconds to say what we planned to do, what dependencies we had (eg, who needed the truck when) and then went off to do our tasks. Even though we also tracked project work in a time system.

A real standup isn’t that unusual, nor micromanagement. Though it can turn into that, when badly utilized.

	▲	elktown 9 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> what dependencies we had (eg, who needed the truck when) So in practice, that's a truck-sync meeting that needs to happen every day due to shifting needs and thus actually useful. Seems like there is room for improvement there but might not be worth it for them? I also don't think certain management cultures would ever want to skip reaffirming the workplace hierarchy on the regular, but that's certainly not a culture I'd want to work in - but at least that's usually honest that it's just status updates to the boss and not hidden behind some nice sounding methodology bs. IME, a standup is just repeating JIRA tasks 99/100 that's not useful for anyone beyond perhaps the extroverts that just wants the face-time, people who rarely reads chats, and ofc management for said office politics. Usually you've already had a weekly/bi-weekly planning meeting distributing tasks in a rather granular size that are available for everyone to see progress on. Then you have easy-to-access direct communication channels through Slack or similar for ad-hoc questions to anyone at any time. Have a question? Just ask? If that's not enough I'm a lot more inclined to believe that the team is dysfunctional. I genuinely think it's a shame that the autonomy & trust that other fields can offer people with proven qualifications/past work is not being offered, instead you're stuck in various infantilizing rituals when you're building a house that you've already built multiple times and don't need hand-holding to do so. But there's some serious amounts of gaslighting going on in the field to explain that a tracker on your car is trust & autonomy.