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I've had them go 90 minutes because they branch off into tangents from people's updates and they become a solution session between one dev and our manager. Info is pretty silo'd (not required for security or anything, just bad management) so usually nobody else knows what's up with their ticket and manager is in other meetings all day so he never responds to dms to help on stuff. I've tried cutting people off to keep it moving and have been reprimanded about it, now I attend with camera off and do my dishes during the meeting.

There is a value to standup in calling out "my PR needs eyes and nobody responded on slack" or "hey I'm blocked on X who wants to pair later" but outside that it's useless.

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cbm-vic-20 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> they become a solution session between one dev and our manager

This happens when the manager doesn't understand the point of daily standups.

I've been on both sides of this. Ideally, the daily standup should be able to operate without a manager even being there: it should be a session between the team members who are actually doing the work, to give them a bit of time to come up out of the weeds of what they're working on to make sure that they're not getting themselves stuck, or to unstick their teammates. The meeting is only as long as it needs to be. In practice, people aren't really good about keeping Jira up to date, or will bury themselves into a rut to power through a problem.

If it becomes a solution session between a manager and a dev, while everyone else on the team stays on mute to witness all of this, that belongs in a different meeting.

	▲	ctkhn 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		What you're describing is how the good standups I've been in were run. Unfortunately that was one year at a startup and the other enterprise and startup teams I've been on were not run like that :(

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mcv 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

90 minutes is not a standup. Keep it brief. If something needs to be discussed in more detail, take it outside the standup with just the people interested in that issue. A good standup is often followed by a bunch of smaller meetings to discuss details or help people who are stuck.

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tialaramex 13 hours ago | parent [-]

The absolute best thing about spending so long remote (I think I've been remote for the vast majority of the last 25 years) is that I can and will stand up for stand ups. This helps remind me to keep it brief and remind everybody else too. There's a guy literally stood up on screen, why are you discussing the minutiae ?

It's awkward to do this in person (although after so long I'm in the habit enough that I will un-selfconsciously just stand up in a room full of people slouched at desks to attend the same meeting in person) so I can understand why people don't form the habit but I am quite sure it has been valuable.

	▲	ctkhn 11 hours ago \| parent [-]
		We used to do this on my pre covid teams. There was a big touch screen that we'd all walk over to, someone would log in to and open jira on. Now we have the 30-90 minute mega meeting instead :(

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jahsome 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I get so many chores done during sprint ceremonies, including standup. Every session is a continuation of the same horribly inefficient planning/refinement/status update combo which doesn't effectively accomplish any of those things, and I've stopped caring because I just go to town with a mop.