| ▲ | 0cf8612b2e1e a day ago |
| How would traditional taste to someone who has spent their life on mass produced kikoman? |
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| ▲ | jt2190 a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| Kikkoman USA has been brewing a lighter soy sauce in Wisconsin for the U.S. market for a few decades while now. It’s what most people in the U.S. think of when they hear “Kikkoman”. Specialty markets sell imported Kikkoman products, such as “traditionally brewed” soy sauce which tastes stronger. Note that “stronger” doesn’t mean “better”: Asian consumers are used to using different styles of soy sauce as they see fit. U.S. consumers still largely view soy sauce as a single thing with no variation except maybe “low sodium”. Definitely worth exploring the different varieties. |
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| ▲ | forgotoldacc 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There's no one "traditional" soy sauce. It's kind of like wine. If you live your life only drinking sweet port wines straight from the bottle, you'll think a dry white wine is gross if you use it the same way. But if you're making a cream pasta or some sort of fish, you'll quickly realize white wine--and every wine--has its place. For example, I find kikkoman to be absolutely awful for fried rice. It has an oddly sharp taste that just doesn't work. Chinese soy sauces don't have that sharpness but have a very wide and smooth savoriness that works well with fried rice. But if you try Chinese soy sauce with sashimi, it tastes flat and very wrong. That sharpness of a Japanese soy sauce works better, and a high quality Japanese soy sauce has a milder sharpness that emphasizes the fish flavors but not so weak that it makes the flavor weird like a Chinese soy sauce would. |
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| ▲ | GloriousKoji a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I grew up on kikkoman, view it as the soy sauce equivalent of Heinz ketchup or Best Foods/Hellmans mayonnaise and still cook with it all the time. But after tasting a wide variety of soy sauce I would describe kikkoman's profile as salty, metallic and stout-beer like. The fancier soy sauces seem less salty (despite similar amounts of sodium) and can have varying notes of oyster sauce, seafood, sweetness, coffee, molasses and MSG. |
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| ▲ | steveBK123 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Not sure about using Heinz ketchup as an example.
To me there are cheap ketchups that taste worse, and fancy yuppie ketchups that taste different for 2-5x the price, but nothing really tastes genuinely better. Ketchup is like a staple unobjectionable thing to stock in the fridge for kids/guests/comfort. Stocking a weird one kind of defeats the purpose. I'd rather try various steak / bbq / teriyaki / whatever sauces that set out to be categorically different. | | |
| ▲ | gullywhumper a day ago | parent | next [-] | | I haven't read this in a while, but remember this Malcom Gladwell article discussing why other ketchups haven't had much success: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2004/09/06/the-ketchup-co... | | |
| ▲ | steveBK123 20 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Great snippet - “The thing about Coke and Pepsi is that they are absolutely gorgeous,” Judy Heylmun, a vice-president of Sensory Spectrum, Inc., in Chatham, New Jersey, says. “They have beautiful notes—all flavors are in balance. It’s very hard to do that well. Usually, when you taste a store cola it’s”— and here she made a series of pik! pik! pik! sounds—“all the notes are kind of spiky, and usually the citrus is the first thing to spike out. And then the cinnamon. Citrus and brown spice notes are top notes and very volatile, as opposed to vanilla, which is very dark and deep. A really cheap store brand will have a big, fat cinnamon note sitting on top of everything.” | |
| ▲ | mkaic 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Here's an unpaywalled PDF I found of the same: https://labs.la.utexas.edu/gilden/files/2016/04/theketchupco... |
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| ▲ | educasean 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Person endorsement for Sir Kensington's ketchup. I find it to be a noticeable improvement over Heinz. | |
| ▲ | Spooky23 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes! Heinz is coke. Hunts is Pepsi. Everything else is usually lesser. | | |
| ▲ | steveBK123 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes for me theres a whole variety of low-brow staple packaged processed foods I think we've all sort of imprinted upon a certain flavor profile growing up. I'd rather explore entirely other flavors/categories than spend 4x on some fancy knockoff to signal I'm low brow high end. Extremely diminishing returns, and mostly just tastes different. I don't need a $4 replacement for a Coke or a $5 Mac-n-cheese or a $10 bottle of ketchup. Honestly we should all be buying less of these processed foods, not going further upmarket with them. | |
| ▲ | badc0ffee a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Don't forget French's (is it the RC Cola of ketchups?) | | |
| ▲ | Spooky23 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | YES! Citi Field used to serve French’s. Which is odd because they were doing Mike’s mustard… money talks I suppose. My son who was little was like “dad, there’s something wrong with my hot dog.” I tried it, and yes, something was terribly wrong. That stuff tastes like they put tomato flavor in strawberry jam. | |
| ▲ | steveBK123 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | I never knew it and will immediately forget it lol |
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| ▲ | AdmiralAsshat a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I started buying Kikkoman's "whole bean" soy sauce (I don't remember what it's called in Japanese: maroyaka?), because I found a local Asian mart carried it, and it was reasonably priced. Seems you can find it on Amazon these days, even: https://www.amazon.com/Kikkoman-Maroyaka-Sauce-33-8-Ounce-Pa... Haven't compared it side-by-side with the normal stuff, but anecdotally it tasted a little more mellow to my palette, and I will probably continue using it moving forward when my 1L bottle runs out. | |
| ▲ | etblg a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Are there any brands of soy sauce that could be commonly (even if its in an Asian market) found in the states that you would recommend? | | |
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| ▲ | LarsAlereon a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Kikkoman has a double-fermented soy sauce in their product line, brewing starts with their regular soy sauce instead of salt water. The flavor is much deeper and more complex, it's actually less salty than regular soy sauce. |
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| ▲ | dfxm12 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Another commentor suggests this is more like tamari than soy sauce. If it is, expect a similar but more intense flavor and an especially long after taste. It's hard to describe the more intense flavor. It's like if you only taste soy sauce with the center of your tongue, you taste tamari with the tip, center and sides. |
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| ▲ | SwtCyber 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Probably like tasting a whole different thing. Traditional soy sauce hits way differently, it’s not just salty, it’s got layers |
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| ▲ | skrtskrt a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Try Pearl River Bridge Light soy sauce. Is the default recommended light soy sauce for a lot of asian cooking, and easy to find. You'll like it better than the harsh flavor of Kikkoman |
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| ▲ | thfuran a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Salty |