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| ▲ | terinjokes 2 months ago | parent | next [-] |
| If the goal is to be annoying, sure make sure folks can jump through hoops. I just don't think in 2025 a company legitimately intending to satisfy the GPL requirements needs anything to do with physical mail, since they'll provide it online. I stopped putting in requests for source code offers because I've had a 0% success rate. |
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| ▲ | immibis 2 months ago | parent | next [-] | | Companies don't legitimately intend to satisfy the GPL requirements. If you put in a source code request and get no reply you should try to contact the copyright holder or someone like the Software Freedom Conservancy or the EFF, because they are breaking the law. There was a case recently in Germany where a court forced a maker of home routers to give up not just their source code, but also the scripts to install modified software - as required by the license. (As I understand it there is no precedent in a civil law system, but it does mean at least one judge believes Tivoization of GPLv2 software is illegal) | | | |
| ▲ | pabs3 2 months ago | parent | prev [-] | | Please let the Software Freedom Conservancy know about any companies that are still in violation of the GPL by not satisfying requests for source code. https://sfconservancy.org/copyleft-compliance/help.html |
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| ▲ | foxglacier 2 months ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I offer GPL source via physical address because I don't want to distribute it with the software and I think the GPL said you have to do it that way. I also provide an email address for convenience but without it being the official way so I don't really have to respond to those. In 10 years, I've had zero requests either way. |
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| ▲ | adastra22 2 months ago | parent [-] | | Why do you distribute under GPL if you don’t want to distribute the source? | | |
| ▲ | foxglacier 2 months ago | parent | next [-] | | It's a 3rd part GPL program that I've modified and distribute with my proprietary software. The not wanting to is just because it's a bit of hassle putting together the files and information on how to compile it in a polished way. If nobody requests it, I can defer that work forever. | |
| ▲ | fph 2 months ago | parent | prev [-] | | Maybe because they have to. If you are reusing GPL code, you don't really have a choice. |
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| ▲ | bluGill 2 months ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Most of the time the GPL request is a waste of time with no purpose other than annoy a company. You can download linux source code from many places, why do you want to get it from us? There is a slight possibility we have a driver that you could get access to, but without the hardware it won't do you any good. Once in a while we have hacked the source to fix a bug, but if it isn't upstream it is because the fix would be accepted (often it causes other bugs that don't matter to use), and in any case if it isn't upstream, the kernel moves so fast you wouldn't be able to use it anyway. |
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| ▲ | immibis 2 months ago | parent | next [-] | | There's actually a near-100% chance that the kernel on my device is not the upstream kernel. There's a near-100% chance that you have added some custom drivers or got them from your upstream. There's also a near-100% chance that you have written some scripts to install the kernel on the device, which you are required (at least one German judge thinks so) to share with me so that I can install a modified kernel on my device. | |
| ▲ | ndiddy 2 months ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Again I see no purpose in doing things this way besides trying to minimize the amount of people who look at your GPL code for some reason. Isn't it more annoying for the company to make someone in customer support read paper letters, burn the GPL package onto a CD-R, and mail it than it is to simply host the GPL package for each product on a support site or Github or something and include a link in the product documentation? | | |
| ▲ | ack_complete 2 months ago | parent [-] | | There's definitely a purpose, it's to obfuscate usage of GPL software and dodgy linkage. There's no other reason for situations like hosting a binary download as a plain download on a website while getting the source requires mailing a check or money order to a UK address. |
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| ▲ | regentbowerbird 2 months ago | parent | prev [-] | | You only have to serve those requests if you distribute your changes yourself. So presumably as a hardware company you'd be offering your hardware with your custom linux installed, and then people wanting to audit or hack the product they bought would request the code from you. | | |
| ▲ | bluGill 2 months ago | parent [-] | | This is GPL2 - there is no requirement that you be able to install/use/hack the software, only that you get the same source. | | |
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