| ▲ | A Roman Gladiator and a Lion Met in Combat. Only One Walked Away(nytimes.com) |
| 31 points by diodorus a day ago | 46 comments |
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| ▲ | claiir 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Actual paper: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal... |
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| ▲ | xaldir an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Could a gladiator win such a fight?
I guess with a long reach weapon like a pilum, the gladiator may have a chance but it would be a hell of a fight. With a gladius or any other short range weapon, it's just a fancy execution. |
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| ▲ | codr7 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Won't be long now, the level of violence in MMA can only keep people distracted for so long. |
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| ▲ | harimau777 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Fun fact: Early in their history the UFC turned down a plan to have full contact stick fighting events because they felt that it was too violent. https://dogbrothers.com/ufc-letter/ | | |
| ▲ | closewith 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Too violent for pay-per-view, not inherently too violent. The letters shows admiration for the intensity of stickfighting. | |
| ▲ | getlawgdon 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Who needs a stick when you can just stand behind podiums and take turns slapping each other for Dana White's pleasure? |
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| ▲ | markus_zhang 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I suspect underground competitions are already bloody enough. | |
| ▲ | morkalork 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If scientists are going to clone a woolley mammoth then we may as well go full techno-dystopia and clone some sabretooth tigers to fight too. |
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| ▲ | gnabgib 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Paper: [Unique osteological evidence for human-animal gladiatorial combat in Roman Britain](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...) |
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| ▲ | zabzonk 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Seems a bit weird to ship lions all the way to York, in the north of England, when local predators such as bears (wolves? killer beavers?) would have been more easily (?) available. |
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| ▲ | dzdt 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The point is to create a spectacle, something that wows the crowd. Exotic wildlife is better for that just by reason of being exotic. But a secondary point is to show the people the awesome power of the Roman state, with its immense continent-spanning logistics capabilities. | | |
| ▲ | tlb 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | "Are you not impressed?" Empires should spend part of their budget on impressing. The English lad who spent whole days schlepping a few bushels of turnips to the market would be thinking, "I should join the Empire and transport lions". | |
| ▲ | zabzonk 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > with its immense continent-spanning logistics capabilities. So, a bit like Amazon? Ave Jeff! Must see if they have a lion at good price. This is an attempt at a joke, BTW. | | |
| ▲ | ajb 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | FYI hn generally downvotes jokes, as it doesn't want to be like Reddit where there is often a flood of jokes and no discussion |
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| ▲ | forgotoldacc 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Why ship a lion to the zoo when you can fill it with local animals like rats and pigeons? | | | |
| ▲ | RainyDayTmrw 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Isn't that the point? To create a rare and exotic spectacle? | |
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| ▲ | RcouF1uZ4gsC 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > However, the hip bite probably isn’t what killed 6DT19. “We think the individual was incapacitated in some way, and then the animal came along, bit and dragged the body away,” Dr. Thompson said. Sounds like a polite way to say he was eaten alive |
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| ▲ | claiir 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Likely not the case, given (1) the body was peri-mortem decapitated (by a human) and (2) apparent structural damage was limited to a single bite mark (on the ilium), with no signs of "taphonomic" damage (indicating limited soft tissue trauma)? [1] (1)
> 6DT19 had been decapitated with a single cut between the second and third cervical vertebrae , delivered from behind. (2)
> Additional [to the decapitation] peri-mortem trauma was present in the form of a series of small depressions on both sides of the pelvis [..] > Taphonomic damage alone is also unlikely due to the appearance and margins of the lesions, which are the same colour as the surrounding bone (this differs if the break is post-mortem; [56]), and the adherence of bony fragments at the injury site (which occurs when soft tissue is present) . [1]: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal... |
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| ▲ | cortesoft 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How do they know the lion walked away? Couldn't it have been "no one walked away"? |
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| ▲ | LegionMammal978 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | If the lion had been mortally wounded by the man, it seems unlikely it would've found the time to gnaw on his bones. | | |
| ▲ | xaldir an hour ago | parent [-] | | I doubt that. Big predators don't quit fights even when mortally wounded. |
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| ▲ | fnord77 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| what changed in the world that ended these types of death spectacles? |
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| ▲ | somenameforme 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Christianity. When Emperor Constantine converted Rome to Christianity, he began laying out various restrictions on the games including prohibiting it being used as a punishment or even as an option for criminals, forbade the branding of gladiators, and so forth. Emperor Honorius would then completely ban the games, which had already dwindled by then, in honor of the martyrdom of Saint Telemachus. [1] [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Telemachus | | |
| ▲ | tptacek 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I guess, but the Catholics brought the death spectacles --- human sacrifice, essentially --- back in another form and kept them going until the 1600s. | | |
| ▲ | gadders an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | But they also ended the human sacrifice in Latin America. | |
| ▲ | red_trumpet 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Could you please elaborate what you are talking about? | | |
| ▲ | Loic 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Witch burning, with the capacity to have any woman for any reason marked as a witch. | |
| ▲ | closewith 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The Catholic Church, amongst others, regularly executed heretics, often by immolation. | | |
| ▲ | xaldir an hour ago | parent [-] | | Most of the time it was not the church that did the execution. The church was more an expertise if you will and delivered the suspect to civil authorities with a judgement.
The civil authorities then did what the law called for. |
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| ▲ | Intermernet an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The last public execution in the USA was in 1936. There have been recent (1990s and later) discussions on televised executions in the USA. This is not only anathema, but also abhorrent to people who live in countries without the death penalty. These "death spectacles" are far from ended. There are definitely people who would welcome their return. Here's a serious analysis from the USDOJ in 1999 named "Televising Executions, Primetime "Live"?" Its annotation is "This article examines the pathways to a televised execution, including First Amendment issues, principles of open government and victims' rights." https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/televisi... | |
| ▲ | lifestyleguru 3 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > what changed in the world that ended these types of death spectacles? I'm afraid that the only thing stopping it are legal barriers to transport and hold such animals. | |
| ▲ | bazoom42 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Bullfighting is still a thing. | |
| ▲ | gorfian_robot 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | lack of lions | | | |
| ▲ | hulitu 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > what changed in the world that ended these types of death spectacles? Nothing. Today we have Hollywood and "news" television. 24/7 violence. | | |
| ▲ | guappa 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | We like to pretend that stuntmen do not get injured and die all the time in hollywood productions. | | |
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| ▲ | ars 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think you should ask the reverse: What was unique about that time period that created these spectacles? Entertainment and fighting have always existed (and still do), but usually not to the death. | | |
| ▲ | wqaatwt 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > and still do), but usually not to the death It usually wasn’t to the death in ancient Rome either. Unless your were being executed. I don’t think that the violence part was unique in any way, Romans were the first commercialize it and scale it up to such an extent though. |
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| ▲ | the_third_wave 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The "news" brings you all the death you want, daily. If you want to try it out for yourself there's plenty of Antifa-type organisations to give it a go. If activism isn't your thing you can join a football (the real type, not that silly American game) hooligan tribe for your ritual combat urges. Still not your thing? Join a gang. Gladiator 'games' were part of the 'panem et circensis' or 'bread and circuses/games' strategy to keep the populace from revolting against the powers that be. They've been replaced by the above, and more. If the silly plebs still seem to be restless there's always another crisis at hand to keep them down, from climate to COVID to whatever comes next. |
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| ▲ | slater a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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