| ▲ | throwawayk7h 4 days ago |
| It would be quite interesting to see how public discourse about gender is affected by this, and in particular if this procedure is done successfully on a transgender woman. Regardless of your political outlook, it will no longer be possible to say that the ability to give birth is a condition for being a woman. (And what will happen should chromosome replacement become possible? It seems unlikely that anyone would really invest in such a procedure, but is it medically feasible?) |
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| ▲ | alxjrvs 3 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| Damn, it's almost like Gender is largely vibes and any attempt to root it in a strict biological standard is as patently ridiculous as it would be trying to do the same to horoscopes. Giving birth is already not a precondition of being a woman, as the category "infertile women" exist. |
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| ▲ | jxjnskkzxxhx 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's not gonna be affected, because that debate isn't based on facts. The debate is between people who just wanna live and let live, and people who want to dictate to others how to live. All the arguments are crafted a posteriori to the defend the position the people already started in. |
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| ▲ | ericmcer 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If the procedures got so good that a trans woman/man was indistinguishable from one born that way who would still object to them claiming the gender they choose, most of the arguments fall apart at that point. |
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| ▲ | aisenik 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Almost everyone who opposes trans people's existence today. Opposition to trans rights is rooted in patriarchal hegemony and the control of bodies. Our existence is a fundamental threat to the foundational perspective of the predominant power-structure in society. No one does a womb-check before granting women validity. It's always been a vibe thing and people who do not conform to the prescribed model of existence as a man or woman are constantly denied full privileges under the framework. It's not just trans women getting the short end of the stick here, it's everyone: men who do not embrace dominance culture or otherwise display "effeminacy" are denied true Man status, women who don't meet beauty standards or possess a submissive demeanor are slurred as bull-dykes or the dreaded transexual. This isn't an issue with any real reasonable basis for it's opposition, it's a golem of pure hatred and disgust in a suit vs. people who want to live full, free lives. editing to add: the first known uterine transplant was performed on Lili Elbe who received treatments through the Institute of Sexology in Germany. The Institute was famously destroyed by the Nazi regime. It's barely coincidental that fascism has risen again as medical science brings this technology to maturity. Trans women gave their lives for this medical miracle. | | |
| ▲ | lostmsu a day ago | parent [-] | | > Our existence is a fundamental threat to the foundational perspective of the predominant power-structure in society. Have you considered that people just think that performing any kind of sex-change operation is dumb, made a deduction from that that the subject is dumb, and everything else you mentioned stems from that? Much simpler explanation than "power structures", which makes very little sense considering most people don't have any power. |
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| ▲ | mftrhu 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | They would just move to calling the procedure a violation of the "natural order" - "Lovecraftian horror", "Frankenstein arrangement", "something Mengele would do" - argue that it is akin to rape, create conspiracy theories about uteri being stolen, and/or invoke "Think of the children!" I saw all of that already. Some of it in this very thread, some of it on the defunct /r/GenderCritical: I remember someone proposing committing suicide by volcano to keep her uterus out of "male [sic] hands". |
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| ▲ | bsuvc 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > it will no longer be possible to say that the ability to give birth is a condition for being a woman This "gotcha game" has become so tiresome. |
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| ▲ | aaaja 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
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| ▲ | alxjrvs 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | There are whole swaths of still living people who would gladly give up their wombs. Trans men, for example. Not that there's any amount of polite progress that won't cause insane public discourse when it involves gender. | |
| ▲ | remarkEon 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] |
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